Alicorn comments on That Magical Click - Less Wrong

58 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 January 2010 04:35PM

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Comment author: RobertWiblin 29 January 2010 05:09:20PM 2 points [-]

Sorry, this may be a stupid question, but why is it a good for people to get cyonically frozen? Obviously if they don't they won't make it to the future - but other people will be born or duplicated in the future and the total number of people will be the same.

Why care more about people who live now than future potential people?

Comment author: Alicorn 29 January 2010 05:32:06PM 14 points [-]

Because we exist already, and they don't. Our loss is death; theirs is birth control.

Comment author: RobertWiblin 29 January 2010 05:35:50PM 3 points [-]

Why is it worse to die (and people cryonically frozen don't avoid the pain of death anyway) than to never have been born? Assuming the process of dying isn't painful, they seem the same to me.

Comment author: Alicorn 29 January 2010 05:44:24PM 16 points [-]
  1. Once a person exists, they can form preferences, including a preference not to die. These preferences have real weight. These preferences can also adjust, although not eliminate, the pain of death. If I were to die with a cryonics team standing over me ready to give me a chance at waking up again, I would be more emotionally comfortable than if I were to die on the expectation of ceasing to exist. Someone who does not exist yet does not have such preferences.

  2. People do not all die at the same time. Although an impermanent death is, like a permanent one, also a loss to the living (of time together), it's not the same magnitude of loss. Beyond a certain point, it doesn't matter very much to most people to be able to create new people (not that they wouldn't resent being disallowed).

  3. It's not clear that anyone's birth will really be directly prevented by cryonics. (I mean, except in the sense that all events have some causal impact that influences, among other things, who jumps whose bones when, and therefore who has which children.) A society that would revive cryonics patients probably isn't one that has a population problem such that the cryonics patients make a difference.