MrHen comments on What big goals do we have? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: byrnema 19 January 2010 07:33:58PM *  3 points [-]

We're the product of evolution, yes? That's what I meant by 'designed'.

When I drive to the store, I have a reason: to buy milk. I also have a reason to buy milk. I also have a reason for that. A chain of reasons ending in a terminal value given to me by evolution -- something you and I consider 'good'. However, I have no loyalty to evolution. Why should I care about the terminal value it instilled in me? Well, I understand it made me care. I also understand that the rebellion I feel about being forced to do everything is also the product of evolution. And I finally understand that there's no limit in how bad the experience can be for me as a result of these conflicting desires. I happen to be kind of OK (just angry) but the universe would just look on, incuriously, if I decided to go berserk and prove there was no God by showing there is no limit on how horrible the universe could be. How's that for a big goal?

I imagine that somebody who cares about me will suggest I don't post anything for a while, until I feel more sociable. I'll take that advice.

Comment author: MrHen 19 January 2010 07:37:46PM *  1 point [-]

Is this a fair summary:

Evolution caused my value in X but has not provided a convincing reason to continuing valuing X.

Or is this closer:

Evolution caused my value in X but has not provided a convincing purpose to doing X.

I am guessing the former. Feel free to take a good break if you want. We'll be here when you get back. :)

Comment author: byrnema 19 January 2010 07:44:21PM 0 points [-]

What would you infer from my choice? I honestly cannot tell the difference between the two statements.

Comment author: MrHen 19 January 2010 07:56:59PM 1 point [-]

Well, the difference is mostly semantic but this is a good way to reveal minor differences in definitions that are not inherently obvious. If you see them as the same than they are same for the purposes of the conversation which is all I needed to know. :)

The reason I asked for clarification is that this sentence:

Evolution designed us to value things but it didn't (can't) give us a reason to value those things.

Can be read by some as:

Evolution [is the reason we] value things but it didn't (can't) give us a reason to value those things.

To which I immediately thought, "Wait, if it is the reason, why isn't that the reason?" The problem is just a collision of the terms "design" and "reason." By replacing "design" with "cause" and "reason" with "purpose" your meaning was made clear.