Stuart_Armstrong comments on My Fundamental Question About Omega - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 15 February 2010 10:40:41AM *  1 point [-]

Yes, but consider what happens when you start conditioning on the statement B="I do not intend to give Omega $5". If Omega is perfect, this is irrelevant; you will hand over the cash.

If Omega is not perfect, then the situation changes. Use A and O as above; then a relvant question is: how many of Omega's errors have B (nearly all of them) versus how many of Omega's successes have B (nearly none of them). Basically, you're trying to estimate the relative sizes of (B&A)|O versus (B&~A)|O.

Now A|O is very large while ~A|O is very small, but (B&A)|O is tiny in A|O while (B&~A)|O makes up most of ~A|O. So I'd crudely estimate that those two sets are generally of pretty comparable size. If Omega is only wrong one in a million, I'd estimate I'd have even odds of handing him the $5 if I didn't want to.

Comment author: MrHen 15 February 2010 04:30:44PM 1 point [-]

Yes, but consider what happens when you start conditioning on the statement B="I do not intend to give Omega $5". If Omega is perfect, this is irrelevant; you will hand over the cash.

Right, when Omega is perfect, this isn't really a useful distinction. The correlation between B and A is irrelevant for the odds of p(A|O). It does get more interesting when asking:

p(A|B)
p(~A|B)
p(O|B)

These are still interesting even when Omega is perfect. If, as you suggest, we look at the relationship between A, B, and O when Omega isn't perfect, your questions are dead on in terms of what matters.