This is true, but not obviously relevant here. If you're trying to convince us that anti-Clippy or pro-human discrimination is harmful or morally wrong, I suspect that it would work better to actually create a well-reasoned argument for the position, rather than treating it as self-evident. It may be a good idea to make a top post on the subject. My impression is that continuing to bring the issue up when people disagree with you is hurting your case; it makes it seem like you're trying to distract us from the issue at hand rather than defending your original point, and if you only bring up the discrimination issue in such contexts, it appears that you only care about it as a convenient distraction, not as an actual issue to be resolved. Also note that such distracting behavior has already been established as being against group norms - this is not an instance of a rule being applied to you because you're nonhuman. See logical rudeness. [...] Your lie fails on the 'would cause relatively minor discord if discovered' test, though, and note that that's joined to the 'the hearer benefits from it' test with an 'and', not an 'or'. It's also debatable whether the lie, if left un-challenged, would have been to Twentythree's net benefit or not; even if it would have, similar benefits could have been achieved without lying, which may cause some people to classify the lie as non-white even if it passes the two stated tests. (I've also spent some time thinking about my own observations of white lies, and can describe how I recognize them, if you're interested. My definition doesn't match Wikipedia's, but seems to be a better match for the data.) [...] This is another instance of you encountering a special-case situation; I can go into more detail about it if you're interested, but it should not be taken as normal. [...] According to my model, Twentythree has not lost any social standing in this instance. (I'd be interested to hear about it if anyone disagrees.)