Attention Lurkers: Please say hi

35 Post author: Kevin 16 April 2010 08:46PM

Some research says that lurkers make up over 90% of online groups. I suspect that Less Wrong has an even higher percentage of lurkers than other online communities.

Please post a comment in this thread saying "Hi." You can say more if you want, but just posting "Hi" is good for a guaranteed free point of karma.

Also see the introduction thread.

Comments (617)

Comment author: Yahivin 16 April 2010 09:07:26PM 6 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: AnotherKevin 16 April 2010 09:10:01PM 6 points [-]

Since you asked, hi.

Comment author: chronophasiac 16 April 2010 09:10:26PM 7 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: Fartan 16 April 2010 09:10:37PM 7 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: JStewart 16 April 2010 09:20:56PM *  15 points [-]

Hi.

edit: to add some potentially useful information, I think the biggest reason I haven't participated is that I feel uncomfortable with the existing ways of contributing (solely, as I understand it, top-level posts and comments on those posts). I know there has been discussion on LW before on potentially adding forums, chat, or other methods of conversing. Consider me a data point in favor of opening up more channels of communication. In my case I really think having a LW IRC would help.

Comment author: Airedale 16 April 2010 10:20:18PM *  5 points [-]

Hi, I think explanations for lurking, if people feel comfortable giving them, may indeed be helpful.

I also felt uncomfortable about posting to LW for a long time and still do to some extent, even after spending a couple months at SIAI as a visiting fellow. Part of the problem is also lack of time; I feel guilty posting on a thread if I haven't read the whole thread of comments, and, especially in the past, almost never had time to read the thread and post in a timely fashion. People tell me that lots of people here post without reading all the comments on a thread, but (except for some of the particularly unwieldy and long-running threads), I can't bring myself to do it.

I agree that a forum or Sub-Reddit as announced by TomMcCabe here might encourage broader participation, if they were somewhat widely used without too significant a drop in quality. But the concerns expressed in various comments about spreading out the conversation also seem valid.

Comment author: JStewart 16 April 2010 11:01:45PM *  2 points [-]

Reddit-style posting is basically the same format as comment threads here, it's just a little easier to see the threading. One thing that feels awkward using threaded comments is conversation, and people's attempts to converse in comment threads is probably part of why comment threads balloon to the size they do. That's one area that chat/IRC can fill in well.

Another issue is that top-level posts have a feeling of permanence to them. It's like publishing something. I'd rather start with an idea and be able to discuss it and shape it. Top-level posts seem like they should have been able to be exposed to feedback before being judged ready to publish. I'm not really sure what kind of structure would work for this, but if I did, I probably would have jumped into an open thread or a meta thread before now :)

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 16 April 2010 11:23:03PM 2 points [-]

Another issue is that top-level posts have a feeling of permanence to them. It's like publishing something. I'd rather start with an idea and be able to discuss it and shape it. Top-level posts seem like they should have been able to be exposed to feedback before being judged ready to publish. I'm not really sure what kind of structure would work for this, but if I did, I probably would have jumped into an open thread or a meta thread before now :)

Google Wave is decent for this - it's wikilike in that document at hand can be edited by any participant, and bloglike in that comments (including threaded comments) can be added underneath the starting blip. There's a way to set it up so that members of a google group can be given access to a wave automatically, which would be convenient.

I have a few invitations left for Wave, if anyone would like to try it. I'm not interested in taking charge of a google group, though.

Comment author: Kevin 16 April 2010 10:24:02PM *  3 points [-]

. #lesswrong on Freenode!

And a local Less Wrong subreddit is coming, eventually...

Comment author: Jack 17 April 2010 01:07:51AM 0 points [-]

And a local Less Wrong subreddit is coming, eventually...

IT IS?! Really?

Comment author: Kevin 17 April 2010 10:04:30AM 0 points [-]

The Less Wrong site authorities all want it; it's just an issue of getting someone to program it. It's not exceptionally challenging or anything to code, but it would require some real programmer-hours.

Comment author: Peter_de_Blanc 17 April 2010 01:40:56AM 4 points [-]

I really think having a LW IRC would help.

This made me think of how cool a LessWrong MOO would be. I went and looked at some Python-based MOOs, but they don't seem very usable. I'd guess that the LambdaMOO server is still the best, but the programming language is pretty bad compared to Python.

Comment author: Jack 17 April 2010 02:01:53AM 4 points [-]

What exactly would we do with it?

Comment author: Peter_de_Blanc 17 April 2010 03:45:31AM 2 points [-]

Chat, and sometimes write code together.

Comment author: Morendil 17 April 2010 07:11:10AM 0 points [-]

I liked LambdaMoo enough that I wrote a compiler for it, targeting the JVM. Fun stuff.

Comment author: apophenia 16 April 2010 09:22:03PM 9 points [-]

I've just introduced myself.

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 16 April 2010 09:26:28PM 4 points [-]

What's the point of this? Surely there are more direct ways of doing a survey of how many users we have? Or are you just trying to encourage participation?

Comment author: Alicorn 16 April 2010 09:27:12PM 14 points [-]

Commitment effects!

Comment author: Psychohistorian 16 April 2010 11:00:41PM 9 points [-]

... and if unregistered users are inspired to say hi, it greatly reduces the marginal cost of them making comments in the future.

Comment author: epwripi 16 April 2010 09:26:56PM 6 points [-]

hi

Comment author: LucasSloan 16 April 2010 09:33:03PM 4 points [-]

I'm not sure if I count as a lurker...

I comment enough that I can top-level, but all of my comments come in relatively short spurts of activity interspaced by much longer periods of inactivity (say a day or two of activity per 1 or 2 months). Perhaps a good standard would be to go up to a randomly selected group of readers and ask if they know me by my screen name. Last time I checked this the answer was no, so I guess I'll call myself a lurker, but if anyone objects, I won't say boo.

Anyway, hi!

Comment author: Kevin 16 April 2010 09:37:44PM 3 points [-]

The definition is not very important, but I don't think you count as a lurker. Lurking is more like total non-participation, not occasionally participating. You're also probably above the median for karma on Less Wrong.

Anyways, all are welcome in this thread.

Comment author: pscriber 16 April 2010 10:01:41PM 6 points [-]

Hi!

Comment author: taw 16 April 2010 10:22:08PM 1 point [-]

I wonder how you're going to enforce your karma targets if other people are more generous (as seems to be the case already).

Comment author: wedrifid 17 April 2010 12:39:56AM 5 points [-]

Particularly since the first thought I had when I read the '4 karma' norm assertion was "Where is a comment with 4 karma? I need to vote it up." This wasn't contrariness precisely, rather I thought:

  • Someone can only introduce themselves here once. That means this isn't a gamable karma source.
  • The commenters are lurkers, it really doesn't seem to be a huge problem giving lurkers a few karma when they signal that they are friendly enough to respond to a greeting and have some interest in engaging with the community.
  • The primary difference that karma has for new members is that it is a requirement to make posts. Long time lurkers who engage in friendly introductions (in an implicit engagement with community spirit) are not the class of people who I would want to prevent from making posts.
  • The only post by a lurker which should not have been made was by someone who would not have responded to an invitation from (mere) Kevin, so this limit wouldn't have helped. In fact, that post was made despite the poster not meeting that karma qualification!
  • The only real 'free karma fest' risk here would be if the OP karma-spiralled. In fact, given the *10 multiplier the OP has gained more karma so far than all of the introductions combined!
  • It just isn't Kevin's place to specify how other people must vote. Me violating the 4 limit makes it less likely for other more compliant individuals to feel constrained by a barrier that is purely imaginary.
Comment author: Jack 17 April 2010 04:42:53AM 3 points [-]

The only real 'free karma fest' risk here would be if the OP karma-spiralled. In fact, given the *10 multiplier the OP has gained more karma so far than all of the introductions combined!

Given the 10x multiplier the OP doesn't need more karma, but I would like to see this promoted, since it would probably reach more lurkers that way.

Comment author: wedrifid 17 April 2010 08:55:45AM 1 point [-]

I don't object to the OP being upvoted (and have done so myself). I merely give perspective on relative karma festivity.

Comment author: Kevin 17 April 2010 09:09:19PM 0 points [-]

Yeah, I didn't expect this to get me as much karma as it did, but I underestimated the lurkers that would vote me up! I would also like to see this promoted, but I don't care about the karma points.

Comment author: Kevin 17 April 2010 09:08:01PM 1 point [-]

I got rid of it because I decided it didn't matter.

Comment author: EStokes 16 April 2010 10:32:29PM 9 points [-]

Hi.

Er, I have posted comments a few times, but I still consider myself a lurker... Bah.

Comment author: noitanigami 16 April 2010 10:34:28PM 6 points [-]

Hello

I've only been aware of this site for about a month. While i find the articles and discussions enlightening, probability theory is still very new to me. Once i have a more intuitive grasp of its implications I plan to participate more heavily

Comment author: Kevin 16 April 2010 10:37:12PM 2 points [-]

You don't actually need a good grasp on probability theory to participate here. I certainly don't have a good grasp on Bayesian statistics. A lot of the discussions here are qualititative.

Comment author: Daniel_Burfoot 17 April 2010 02:12:41PM 0 points [-]

You don't actually need a good grasp on probability theory to participate here

Anecdotally, the most strongly upvoted articles tend not to be specifically about math and statistics, but rather about meta-thinking issues: how insights from AI, cog sci, stats, social science and so on can help improve our thought processes.

Comment author: JGWeissman 16 April 2010 11:04:55PM 2 points [-]

Hi

You may be interested in Eliezer's Intuitive Explanation of Bayes' Theorem.

Comment author: Alicorn 16 April 2010 11:06:09PM 3 points [-]

Or Kaj's What Is Bayesianism? for a more intuitive version.

Comment author: Jaffa_Cakes 16 April 2010 10:56:48PM 8 points [-]

Hi.

I have posted a few times, but I self-identify as a lurker because I only very rarely post, and feel increasingly disinclined to.

Or should that be "decreasingly inclined to"? Or are they equivalent? (See, this is why I don't post much.)

Comment author: teageegeepea 18 April 2010 09:23:38PM 0 points [-]

Same here. I don't always read stuff here either though.

Comment author: alasarod 19 April 2010 05:05:50AM 1 point [-]

Or should that be "decreasingly inclined to"? Or are they equivalent? (See, this is why I don't post much.)

yes!

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 April 2010 10:05:13AM 1 point [-]

Or should that be "decreasingly inclined to"? Or are they equivalent? (See, this is why I don't post much.)

They're different. One is a decrease of desire, and the other is an increase of distaste.

This doesn't mean that the only thing between them is a zero point of no reaction to the idea of posting-- there's also the possibility of mixed feelings.

Comment author: oliverbeatson 16 April 2010 11:18:41PM *  7 points [-]

Hi. I don't often comment because generally I doubt I can really contribute much. I'm lurking, but taking notes, I've still got a lot to learn but I plan to learn it: on top of this, I need a job, so I'm also attempting to tackle that at the minute, at an admittedly inefficient pace. The most karma I ever got was for a 'Selfish-Jeans' joke. Which admittedly was brilliant. But yeah. Hi.

Comment author: vizikahn 16 April 2010 11:23:35PM 6 points [-]

Hi. Too bad High Five Day went already.

Comment author: jtolds 19 April 2010 01:27:54AM 1 point [-]

oh no! i was totally scrolling down to post hi when i saw this.

I put high five day in my calendar as the 19th of april, and so I was super stoked for tomorrow. who knew it was the third thursday? not me. :( what a bummer

also, hi!

Comment author: humpolec 16 April 2010 11:54:18PM 6 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: AdamSpitz 17 April 2010 12:33:50AM 6 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: jake987722 17 April 2010 12:47:29AM 6 points [-]

Hi.

I'm a grad student studying social psychology, more or less in the heuristics & biases tradition. I've been loosely following the blog for maybe six months or so. The discussions are always thought provoking and frequently amusing. I hope to participate more in the near future.

Comment author: alpaca 17 April 2010 01:35:28AM 6 points [-]

Hi. This motivated me to register instead of just RSS-lurking. So that removes one barrier to potential future participation.

Comment author: MartinB 17 April 2010 02:19:42AM 6 points [-]

Hi,

i am technically not lurking as i prepare my anti-akrasia article.

Martin

Comment author: gwern 17 April 2010 09:35:46PM 3 points [-]

Hm, you're submitting frivolous comments as a way of not preparing an anti-akrasia article... Oh the ironing!

Comment author: MartinB 18 April 2010 01:46:15AM 1 point [-]

No i actually have it prepared already, but still collect data from my own experience and my beta tester. But i appreciate the irony, thats what we all here for after all :-)

Martin

Comment author: MartinB 18 April 2010 11:57:17PM 2 points [-]

And now i just figured out that i am a few karma points short. So i lurked too much after all :-)

Comment author: jimrandomh 19 April 2010 02:16:48AM 0 points [-]

Fixed that for you. Post away!

Comment author: MartinB 19 April 2010 02:34:04AM 0 points [-]

thanks, hope the article is worth it :)

Comment author: apophenia 19 April 2010 02:25:23AM 2 points [-]

Yes, I'm having a similar problem with my article.

Comment author: Morendil 19 April 2010 08:13:45AM 0 points [-]

Here you go. :)

Comment author: VNKKET 17 April 2010 03:02:45AM 5 points [-]

Hi! I'm not anti-posting, but I never do for some reason.

Comment author: Jach 17 April 2010 03:15:25AM 7 points [-]

Hi.

I've been lurking for a while, looks like. (My how time flies.) I'll throw my name in the pot of wanting more communication channels like IRC (looks like a room's setup, time to check it out!), especially less formal ones to ease transitioning to formal comments / top-level posts. The proportion of high-quality posts and comments around here seems awesomely high, but unfortunately makes it uncomfortable to just dive into. I also feel like I need to read all the sequences, in which admittedly I've made a pretty big hole so that there's not many posts left. (Currently going through quantum stuff, also picked up a copy of Feynman's QED.)

Comment author: twanvl 17 April 2010 04:35:59AM 6 points [-]

Hi,

I am (almost) a lurker. For some reason I find it very difficult to post anything in online discussions forums, so I usually don't.

Comment author: LauraABJ 17 April 2010 05:00:12AM 3 points [-]

Awe, this made my night! Welcome to all!

Comment author: wuwei 17 April 2010 05:02:53AM *  7 points [-]

Hi.

I've read nearly everything on less wrong but except for a couple months last summer, I generally don't comment because a) I feel I don't have time, b) my perfectionist standards make me anxious about meeting and maintaining the high standards of discussion here and c) very often someone has either already said what I would have wanted to say or I anticipate from experience that someone will very soon.

Comment author: Strange7 17 April 2010 10:51:35PM 2 points [-]

Even if you know someone else is going to say it soon, do so yourself and you'll still get some of the credit.

Comment author: James_Blair 17 April 2010 05:16:50AM *  5 points [-]

Hi.

edit: I suspect LW has fewer lurkers than average. Speaking as a lurker, the conversations here are not easy to follow (this is more the structure rather than content, but sometimes the content gets pretty esoteric). I've limited my participation to reading top level posts of interest, and the comments if the article is sufficiently fresh.

Comment author: Sly 17 April 2010 09:34:24AM 7 points [-]

Hi.

I often feel like I have very little to add. Hence the lurking. Also I only recently finished with most of the sequences.

Comment author: Byron 17 April 2010 10:02:29AM 9 points [-]

Hi!

I’ve been reading LW for about a year. Most of the rationalizations that came to mind for why I haven’t yet made the transition from lurker to poster boil down to social indifference or low conscientiousness.

Reading this topic made me think about why I hadn’t posted, and the more I thought about it, the more I realised that I hadn’t thought about why I hadn’t posted. Looking more deliberately at potential foregone losses in utility to myself (and maybe the community) from my non-involvement, it seems like I should force myself to at least see if I don‘t get downvoted.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 17 April 2010 10:02:41AM 8 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: Leonhart 17 April 2010 11:06:50AM 8 points [-]

Hi there!

I've been reading OB and LW for years and hardly said anything. This is typical of my behaviour on online communities generally, although it's worse here due to the unusual calibre of the discussions. Even this comment involved several edits and a lot of dithering, but since you asked...

Comment author: Kobayashi 17 April 2010 03:44:48PM 4 points [-]

Hi

Comment author: Darmani 17 April 2010 04:02:10PM 5 points [-]

Hi!

Comment author: arbimote 17 April 2010 06:00:03PM *  6 points [-]

Hi.

I registered and started posting a while back, but since then have reverted to lurking. Partly due to not having time, but I can also identify with reasons some others have given.

Comment author: Faber 17 April 2010 07:22:58PM 7 points [-]

Hi!

Comment author: Yoreth 17 April 2010 08:26:35PM 12 points [-]

Hi!

I've been registered for a few months now, but only rarely have I commented.

Perhaps I'm overly averse to loss of karma? "If you've never been downvoted, you're not commenting enough."

Comment author: jasonmcdowell 17 April 2010 10:06:00PM 6 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: exousia 18 April 2010 03:07:00AM 6 points [-]

Hello ~

I've been reading this site for several months, but I still feel unqualified to actually post anything. I've yet to entirely read all of the sequences, and I also lack the math/science background that appears to be relatively common here (I'm an industrial design student). As a result I'm (perhaps excessively) wary of posting something that's redundant or has a glaring flaw I ought to have been aware of.

Thanks for giving an excuse to make a first post, though.

Comment author: SeventhNadir 18 April 2010 04:26:15AM *  8 points [-]

Hi.

I'm a lurking Australian psychology student. I'm trying to devour information and acquire the skills to help me to separate the wheat from the considerable amount of chaff in my field of study. I'm so fascinated by this blog (worked through most of the sequences in the space of about two months) because to be honest it has more content than my university course.

I have been toying with the idea of posting some of the arguments I've been in recently which would be kind of a case study where I could point to where they might have gone wrong in cognition, but I kind of feel that it might be a bit pedestrian to most readers of this blog.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 18 April 2010 08:43:49AM 1 point [-]

I'd be interested. This blog is both for the very abstract hypotheses and for applications of rationality.

Comment author: magfrump 18 April 2010 08:33:59PM 3 points [-]

I agree with Nancy. Case studies are very interesting; the few that I've seen have been voted up and very popular and I'd love to see more.

Comment author: RobinZ 19 April 2010 01:44:56AM 1 point [-]

I also support case studies - as much as science is maligned here for being too stringent with data requirements, there's a reason why ideas should be tested by experiment.

Comment author: Mardonius 18 April 2010 06:58:13AM 6 points [-]

Hi, been reading this site since it split from OB, but have never commented, though on occasion I have been tempted.

Comment author: Entropy 18 April 2010 01:13:07PM 6 points [-]

Hi! I discovered this site via OB a few months ago and have been lurking ever since. I've commented only twice before but have been reluctant to comment more as I haven't yet read anywhere near as much of LW as I would like. I'm very interested in many of the very common topics of discussion here, such as rationality, AI, etc, and hope to be able to make a contribution to our understanding of one or more such topics in the future.

Thanks for the excuse to comment, and to the LW community at large for creating such a fascinating site.

Comment author: Dannil 18 April 2010 04:34:50PM 6 points [-]

Hi! This made me register: first barrier overcome. I don’t think I will ever contribute that much, but maybe I will add a comment now and then when I have something intelligent to say. What I have read here and on OB has contributed quite a bit to my thinking.

Comment author: chris_elliott 18 April 2010 06:50:25PM 6 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: [deleted] 18 April 2010 09:46:48PM 6 points [-]

Hello there.

I like the idea you're getting at, but there is a slight problem with it: you can never truly gauge the number of lurkers because some of them won't respond to this post. But I suppose you can get a better approximation, so I won't go as far to say that the whole thing is futile.

Comment author: MichaelGR 18 April 2010 10:48:27PM 1 point [-]

Hi. I'm a part-time lurker, part-time active participant.

Comment author: Kevin 18 April 2010 10:59:07PM 3 points [-]

...with karma in the 95th percentile. :P

Comment author: RobinZ 19 April 2010 01:45:50AM 1 point [-]

(How'd you calculate that, by the way? Just eyeballing, or is there a page?)

Comment author: Kevin 19 April 2010 01:49:11AM *  0 points [-]

(Just eyeball... on further reflection it may be more like 80th percentile. I know that on Hacker News, the karma distribution is exponential with a quick fall-off and I expect the distribution here is very similar.)

Comment author: Creaticity 18 April 2010 10:56:05PM 6 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: David_Rotor 19 April 2010 12:59:07AM 5 points [-]

Hey ho.

Comment author: AlexMennen 19 April 2010 01:03:10AM 7 points [-]

Hi.

Why would Less Wrong have an abnormally high percentage of lurkers? Also, being a lurker is not in black and white. For example. I mostly just lurk, but I post comments occasionally.

Comment author: Kevin 19 April 2010 01:37:47AM *  2 points [-]

I think Less Wrong has an abnormally high percentage of lurkers because if participating at any web site is intimidating, participating at Less Wrong is especially intimidating because of the high level of discourse and English linguistic proficiency.

For the strictest definition of lurker, if you have registered for an account you are not or are not longer a lurker, but the definition is really not important.

Comment author: apophenia 19 April 2010 03:44:28AM *  2 points [-]

I read the blog for two month before getting an account, and then continued to lurk, only upvoting and not commenting. I found that I felt like an observer without an account, and a silent participant with one.

Comment author: gregconen 19 April 2010 07:40:20AM 1 point [-]

Also, the karma system adds an additional barrier, at least in my mind. Knowing that your comment is going to be explicitly judged and your score added to a "permanent record" can be intimidating.

Comment author: Jowibou 19 April 2010 07:56:55AM *  2 points [-]

Whether we like it or not, that "intimidation" may be the single most important factor in keeping the level of discourse in the comments unusually high. Status games can be beneficial.

Comment author: grobstein 19 April 2010 01:04:05AM 5 points [-]

Hi. I am a very occasional participant, mostly because of competing time demands, but I appreciate the work done here and check it out when I can.

Comment author: treed 19 April 2010 01:08:23AM 6 points [-]

Lo!

(I apparently had an account already, although I didn't remember this until I tried to comment and my usual name was taken in the registration screen.)

Comment author: jamesnvc 19 April 2010 01:17:10AM 6 points [-]

Hello; I enjoy reading this site, but feel kind of inadequate to actually post something when so many of the main postings here are so erudite.

Comment author: josefjohann 19 April 2010 01:18:44AM 5 points [-]

I'm a lurker. I follow via the rss feed. LessWrong is in my "firehose" folder, meaning its a limbo-state. I might promote it to an actual folder or I might unsubsribe.

At least, thats until I find some more nonsensical classification scheme for my rss feeds.

Comment author: magsol 19 April 2010 01:19:04AM 5 points [-]

Hi there. I lurk, mainly for the purpose of learning, but also because of significant time demands elsewhere.

Comment author: bluej100 19 April 2010 01:23:46AM 5 points [-]

I just read the RSS feed for a Yudkowsky fix since he left Overcoming Bias.

Comment author: OneWhoFrogs 19 April 2010 01:23:58AM 5 points [-]

Hi.

I only subscribed yesterday, and I didn't even have an account before now, but I'll consider myself a lurker and post here. There probably won't be a better time to join the community anyway.

Nice to meet you guys.

Comment author: ig0r 19 April 2010 01:24:00AM 5 points [-]

Hello

Comment author: 0sn 19 April 2010 01:25:46AM 6 points [-]

Hi. I keep forgetting to log in, and mostly just watch the front-page feed in Google Reader, but I do pass interesting articles and posts along to friends and family. They generally seem to like it, so that's good. I'm interested in what you might call community outreach via my comics where I try to subtly involve issues of rationality and such. Feel free to drop by and suggest themes I should use.

Comment author: RobinZ 19 April 2010 01:55:14AM 0 points [-]

Thanks for the link!

Comment author: Sharur 19 April 2010 01:26:30AM 5 points [-]

Hi

Comment author: DataPacRat 19 April 2010 01:28:25AM 6 points [-]
Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 April 2010 02:40:00AM 4 points [-]

Have you found that Lojban makes it easier to think clearly?

Comment author: Bildoon 19 April 2010 01:30:01AM 5 points [-]

Hello.

Comment author: cha5on 19 April 2010 01:31:35AM 5 points [-]

Greetings!

Comment author: Meng_Bomin 19 April 2010 01:33:42AM 6 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: Matt_Stein 19 April 2010 01:37:49AM 7 points [-]

Hi. Like others have said, I tend to not post because I feel I can't add anything constructive to the discussion.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that though. A good part of learning can be knowing when to be silent and listen to what others have to say.

Comment author: Kevin 19 April 2010 01:47:07AM 0 points [-]

I was that way for about 8 months -- I've been a member of Less Wrong since it was turned on, but almost all of my karma has been acquired in 2010.

I had a lot of free time and so I jumped in by replying to comments on the recent comments page. My tips for doing it successfully are to look for comments where you can add a small point of additional information, or have a minor disagreement with a point of the comment. In order to make sure you don't lose karma for doing this, couch your words in linguistic uncertainty, using phrases like "I think".

Comment author: alasarod 19 April 2010 04:58:46AM 3 points [-]

You sound a little too confident when you say "In order." Oughtn't you hedge that statement?? :)

And hi.

Comment author: Kevin 19 April 2010 05:19:42AM 0 points [-]

Yes, yes, I totally deserve to lose large amounts of karma for being too certain. Hello!

Comment author: wedrifid 19 April 2010 05:29:20AM 3 points [-]

Yes, yes, I totally deserve to lose large amounts of karma for being too certain.

No you don't. You're wrong. Downv...

Comment author: bufu 19 April 2010 04:15:08AM 3 points [-]

Hi.

And agreed.

Comment author: misterinteger 19 April 2010 01:44:07AM 5 points [-]

Hey!

I'm subscribed via RSS, so I don't really see comments, but I might start lurking on the actual site.

Comment author: Nyuutsu 19 April 2010 01:45:37AM 5 points [-]

Hello!

Comment author: zemaj 19 April 2010 01:47:05AM 5 points [-]

Hi

Been reading Less Wrong religiously for about 6 months, but still definitely in the consume, not contribute phase.

It feels like Less Wrong has pretty dramatically changed my life. I'm doing pretty well with overcoming Akrasia (or at least identifying it where I haven't yet overcome it). I'm also significantly happier all round, understanding decisions I make and most importantly exercising my ability to control these decisions. I'm doing a lot of things I would have avoided before just because I realise that my reasons for avoiding them were not rational. My boundaries are much more sensible now and getting better weekly. Still a work in progress, but I'm incredibly happy with where things are going.

So, a big thanks to everyone who contributes here. Can't thank you enough :)

Comment author: Briareos 19 April 2010 01:48:17AM 5 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: Virge 19 April 2010 01:51:33AM 5 points [-]

Hi. I was an occasional contributor on OB and have posted a few comments on LW. I've dropped back to lurking for about a year now. I find most of the posts stimulating -- some stimulating enough to make me want to comment -- but my recent habit of catching up in bursts means that the conversations are often several weeks old and a lot of what needs to be argued about them has already been said.

The last post that almost prompted me to comment was ata's mathematical universe / map=territory post. It forced me to think for some time about the reification of mathematical subjunctives and how similar that was to common confusions about 'couldness'. I decided I didn't have the time and energy to revive the discussion and to refine my ideas with sufficient rigor to make it worth everyone's attention.

Over the past week I've worked through my backlog of LW reading, so I've removed my "old conversation" excuse for not commenting. I'll still be mostly a lurker.

Comment author: mustntgrumble 19 April 2010 01:57:00AM 6 points [-]

Hi. I'd never not lurked anywhere until I not-lurked here now.

Comment author: sbierwagen 19 April 2010 02:00:11AM 6 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: jimm 19 April 2010 02:02:45AM 6 points [-]

Hi. I read the RSS feed.

Comment author: StevenJ 19 April 2010 02:10:23AM 6 points [-]

Delurk:

Hi

Back to lurking...

Comment author: TabAtkins 19 April 2010 02:17:18AM 6 points [-]

Hi, long-time lurker. Fell in love with the blog after two posts, and spent some productive hours reading the Quantum Physics sequence. I think I introduced the blog to the XKCD readership, or at least the ones who read the Science forums there.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 19 April 2010 03:07:04AM 2 points [-]

Was there any insightful discussion about LW on those forums?

Comment author: Threads 19 April 2010 02:25:05AM *  5 points [-]

Hi. I've been lurking on OB+LW for around two years. I took the step of making an account a few months ago. Eventually I'll post something meaningful.

Comment author: mlinksva 19 April 2010 02:30:18AM 6 points [-]

kthxhi

Comment author: mohrland 19 April 2010 02:32:46AM 5 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: dougsharp 19 April 2010 02:41:14AM 7 points [-]

Delurking from the woods of deepest Wisconsin. Doug Sharp here, old school game developer (ChipWits, King of Chicago http://channelzilch.com ), just finishing a novel about kickstarting the Singularity by stealing space shuttle Enterprise ( Hel's Bet http://helsbet.com ). Debugging the Human OS has been a longtime interest of mine, so I keep an eye on Less Wrong. As an ex-5th grade teacher, I'm interested in the possibility of translating ideas emerging from LW into teaching people how to think clearly.

Comment author: peregrine 19 April 2010 04:16:29AM 2 points [-]

Hey Doug, glad to see another Wisconsinite :) I am brand new round here, been reading for a while though. Goodluck!

Comment author: 5072035972357923 19 April 2010 05:36:53AM 2 points [-]

hi

Comment author: Jowibou 19 April 2010 06:32:50AM 3 points [-]

Glad to hear more people are thinking about rationality in reference to school age kids. Catch their brains while they're young. While you're at it - why not develop a game that teaches them to think clearly? And ermm...Hi.

Comment author: dougsharp 19 April 2010 07:06:21AM 0 points [-]

I'd be happy to collaborate on that type of game!

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 April 2010 10:34:23AM *  5 points [-]

Inventing new games isn't a bad idea, but there are already a bunch that would be worth promoting.

Eleusis, Zendo, Penultima, and Mao are all games of inductive reasoning. And a list of games with concealed rules, some of them suitable for this project, and some of them just silly.

Mao might be the best bet for getting started with a lot of kids-- it's already a popular game.

For that matter, Twenty Questions might be a good place to start.

There are some interesting claims of increased IQ at the WWF n Proof site-- I don't know how well founded they are, but the game implies the possibility of a similar game based on Bayesian logic.

Comment author: RobinZ 19 April 2010 11:41:41AM 2 points [-]

Quick meta aside: if you have a URL with parentheses, you have to put a backslash ("\") before each close-paren.

It comes up a lot with Wikipedia URLs, or I'd just send a message.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 April 2010 11:46:57AM 1 point [-]

Thank you. Corrected.

Comment author: outlawpoet 19 April 2010 02:46:15AM 5 points [-]

hi

Comment author: deepakjois 19 April 2010 02:48:29AM 5 points [-]

Hi. I may have posted a comment or two, cannot remember. But I have been lurking for a long time.

Comment author: wedrifid 19 April 2010 03:09:50AM 2 points [-]

Click on your name. It'll show you that you commented a recommendation for Caldini (good book btw!)

Comment author: Llyando 19 April 2010 02:50:13AM 5 points [-]

Hello. Long time lurker. Well I made an account a while ago and plan on contributing once I get the material. It seems like a wall I have to get over but I don't doubt I will with time.

Comment author: eastvillagechick 19 April 2010 03:06:38AM 5 points [-]

hi. Why do I lurk? because I only visit occasionally, only for insight, and not because I feel any great need to belong. But please keep up the good work.
Naturally "less wrong" willl have an even higher percentage of lurkers than others. After all, you challenge the biases we use when we see ourselves, the world ... and less our conscious, identified selves know about that the better. But still, we return...

Comment author: sclark 19 April 2010 03:24:33AM 5 points [-]

I've been reading this blog for about half a year now and loving it after Accelerating Future (I think) referenced it for something. I don't post many comments because anything I'd have to contribute usually already is, but I find that if you surround (or read) more intelligent people, they have this peculiar way of making you the same. Keep going Less Wrong, a lot of us are learning all sorts of great things from you!

Comment author: Mediocrity 19 April 2010 03:24:44AM 5 points [-]

Hi

Comment author: baisong 19 April 2010 03:26:52AM 5 points [-]

Hi. I've been subscribed to the RSS for a few months now.

Comment author: Micah 19 April 2010 03:30:12AM 6 points [-]

Hi. I've been reading lesswrong since the start. I had overcomingbias.com on my RSS feeds before that became Robin Hanson's personal blog, and followed the threads onto this site.

I don't generally feel the need to comment on the posts here. My mind does come up with questions and opinions from what I read, but I've found that if I wait long enough, someone else will usually chime in with something close enough to my own thoughts that I feel my point has been made, even if not by me.

I have thought of a few things that might have made an interesting top-level post here (and with these, I haven't always found someone else pipe up with the same idea), but I never got around to writing them, and with no comment-earned karma score, I don't think I could initiate a top-level post anyway. I guess I could write them as comments in the open threads, were I more motivated to do so, but as I have other priorities, I'd prefer to just read.

I don't find any of the above particularly problematic--I quite enjoy reading this site, even without writing anything myself. But, since my "hello" cannot be redundant here, no matter how similar it might be similar to other ones: hello everyone! Here I am!

And now back to lurking.

Comment author: JamesAndrix 19 April 2010 03:50:25AM 0 points [-]

If you want a lower barrier to entry, try the lesswrong subreddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/LessWrong/

Comment author: frikle 19 April 2010 03:37:07AM 5 points [-]

Hi, I'm a reader from Eliezer's OB days, still lurking as I don't have much time or much to add at the moment. Hopefully this will change soon.

Comment author: Tim_Helmstedt 19 April 2010 03:38:54AM 5 points [-]

Yeah I'm a lurker...

Although now I have an account, I guess I have no excuse...

Comment author: thejash 19 April 2010 03:47:36AM 6 points [-]

Hi. I lurk because I haven't had time to read enough of the sequences, and because I usually read posts well after they are published. By the time I get around to reading an post, all of my arguments and counter-arguments are already presented for me in the existing comments. That's a big part of why I liked the site in the first place.

Comment author: bandwagonsmasher 19 April 2010 03:48:01AM 6 points [-]

Hi, lurker here (male, Chicago, attorney, 30). I am a regular Overcoming Bias reader who followed Eliezer to this site. To quote Buster Bluth: "You guys are so smart!" (slides off chair).

Comment author: vinayak 19 April 2010 03:51:26AM 4 points [-]

Hello.

Now can I get some Karma score please?

Thanks.

Comment author: JamesAndrix 19 April 2010 03:51:44AM 3 points [-]

If we have a higher percentage of lurkers, then what bell curve are regular commenters on the far end of?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 April 2010 09:57:40AM *  4 points [-]

Several bell curves I should think-- knowledge of the sorts of thing LW specializes in, free time, and self-assurance, at least.

Comment author: fiddlemath 19 April 2010 03:52:31AM 5 points [-]

Hi. I'm a lurker here, working on my PhD in Computer Science at the University of Wisconsin. I've only been reading for the last few months, but I've gone through all the major sequences in the archives.

Comment author: zero_call 19 April 2010 05:32:21AM 2 points [-]

Cool... Engineering physics grad student at UW.

Comment author: mikerpiker 19 April 2010 04:15:59AM 4 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: peregrine 19 April 2010 04:16:45AM 4 points [-]

Hello I guess.

Comment author: Joseph 19 April 2010 04:19:52AM 5 points [-]

Hello. I've been lurking here and on OB for sometime now. I started reading OB at least at the beginning of 2008, possibly in the last few months of 2007.

Comment author: Identity 19 April 2010 04:31:15AM 5 points [-]

I lurk on almost every forum that I read on the internet. The mere fact that I'm logged out of a forum that I'm registered on can be enough to cause me to say, "screw it" and not post for months. I frequently get, "Wow I remember you" as a response to my sparse postings.

My penchant to lurk coupled with my lack of confidence that I have anything worthwhile to contribute to this community made it seem doubly unlikely that I would ever post anything here. But I'll stand up and be counted now as part of this experiment, as it's the only contribution I can really make.

Cheers, and thanks for posting all this delicious lurker chow.

Comment author: prismism 19 April 2010 04:47:05AM 5 points [-]

Hi!

I'm a highschool student who has been reading (and lurking) lesswrong for many months now. I have always found the blog posts to be very insightful and enlightening, and I greatly enjoy reading them. I'm a young aspiring transhumanistic biologist who just can't wait to get his hands dirty debugging and retooling the human body and mind! Please, keep up the wonderful posts, and I will be sure to contribute as soon as i find that i have something really good to say.

Comment author: imaxwell 19 April 2010 04:47:09AM 4 points [-]

Hi.

It's been quite a while since I posted here, so long that I initially couldn't remember my username. I rarely have much to add, and even though "I agree with this post" posts are, I think, slightly more accepted here than in some places, just agreeing doesn't by itself motivate me to say so most of the time.

Comment author: mokelly 19 April 2010 04:50:07AM 4 points [-]

Hi! Longtime RSS reader from Mountain View.

Comment author: Ari_Rahikkala 19 April 2010 05:09:19AM 9 points [-]

Hello. Didn't realise I had an account here, but I think one got autogenerated from a single comment I made at OB in early 2008.

To be honest I was somewhat surprised that LW turned out to be so much of a self-help support group, and I somewhat miss the time when I could go on OB and just have my mind blown so many ways every day. The work on decision theory that's being done here still has the sort of brain-everting quality that keeps me coming back for more, though, so I happily pick the promising posts from the sidebar regularly in addition to keeping up with the front page. I guess I'm addicted to the feeling of my brain being violently rewired :-(

Comment author: alasarod 19 April 2010 05:12:36AM *  4 points [-]

I see a lot of karma etiquette talk here. Are there guidelines for awarding karma points?

One issue comes to mind - the popularity sort combined with the fact that many people often only read the first few comments on any blog.

Comment author: RobinZ 19 April 2010 11:20:56AM 0 points [-]

Well, that's the guideline - an upvote promotes a comment to greater attention on the popularity list, and a downvote demotes it. Those are the facts - everything else is pure theory. :)

Comment author: hjkl 19 April 2010 05:22:59AM 5 points [-]

Hello.

Comment author: lemonfreshman 19 April 2010 05:37:25AM 4 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: slowd 19 April 2010 05:47:59AM 5 points [-]

Long time lurker here. Seattle WA. I've been following what Eliezer has had to say since 2003. Started way back on extropy-chat mailing list and reading SL4 archives, read Overcoming Bias since around 2008, and now I read here. I only lurk because I find that getting involved in discussion is too interesting, it distracts me from my projects.

Comment author: Cunya 19 April 2010 05:53:01AM 4 points [-]

Lurking from Tampere, Finland

Comment author: kylecameron 19 April 2010 05:54:05AM *  4 points [-]

Hey friends. I was able to join in a couple of fascinating LW/OB NYC meetup conversations; I don't comment here much but certainly read daily. Thanks for all the thoughts/insight.

Comment author: PlatypusNinja 19 April 2010 05:55:38AM *  6 points [-]

Hi! I'd like to suggest two other methods of counting readers: (1) count the number of usernames which have accessed the site in the past seven days (2) put a web counter (Google Analytics?) on the main page for a week (embed it in your post?) It might be interesting to compare the numbers.

Comment author: bagarbyxa 19 April 2010 06:15:27AM *  4 points [-]

Hi

I must say that I consider myself a lurker and even though I wish I had something constructive to add to <enter discussion topic here>, I often don't.

Comment author: Paamayim 19 April 2010 06:29:15AM 5 points [-]

Hi!

Comment author: HoverHell 19 April 2010 06:32:32AM 6 points [-]

HI.

Better 90% lurkers than 90% useless comments :)

P.S. No OpenID login feature in here? Or It's there but I don't see it?

Comment author: vshih 19 April 2010 06:33:38AM 5 points [-]

Reluctantly relinquishing my lurker status.

Comment author: meta_ark 19 April 2010 06:40:03AM 4 points [-]

Good morning, people. I'm assuming it's morning somewhere. Adam, from Australia. A friend of mine's been talking about this site for a while now. I had an unusually misanthropic weekend, full of people committing crimes against reason and logic, so I decided to search for some rational thinking. I remembered this place, loved it when I first clicked on, and have subscribed.

Comment author: reaver121 19 April 2010 06:49:23AM *  6 points [-]

Well, I don't count as a lurker anymore but I only started posting about two weeks ago and lurked about 2 years before that so I think I qualify to comment about it. The only 2 forums where I post(ed) at all are LessWrong and INTPCentral.

INTPCentral was more of an experiment to see if I could sustain posting for an extended period of time. It didn't work and after 2 weeks I lost interest. LessWrong has less chance going the same way because of the high level of most top posts. That's my first barrier to post. The online community has to be interesting enough to make me come back.

The second is a certain reluctance to comment at all. I think that has to do with my aversion to attention (although this doesn't fly when I'm with friends. Then I have no problem with it). The only reason to call attention to myself is when I can significantly add to the conversation or to correct someone. That also makes it difficult for me to comment on a top level post that already has been thoroughly analyzed in the comments. Adding a comment that doesn't add anything does look too much like yelling 'me too, me too'.

Comment author: hello 19 April 2010 07:15:43AM 5 points [-]

hi

Comment author: jonas_lorenz 19 April 2010 07:31:58AM 8 points [-]

Hi.

I came here following Eliezer when he left OB. I think the main reasons why I am not participating more are:

  • I am an undergraduate student just starting to learn about rationality. I often struggle to understand the main posts and I am quite far from being able to contribute useful knowledge, new insights or a qualified opinion to any of the discussion here.
  • But why not ask more questions? I usually consider asking questions an extremely important thing to do. The problem is, although I have pretty much read all of the current posts, I have not yet caught up with all the older material. So I think I do not have the right to ask questions and bother you with things that you might already have explained elsewhere in full detail. I feel like I should first do my part of the work before I can expect others to take the time and explain things to me.
  • I am from Germany and not an English native speaker. Writing something in an environment with such high linguistic standards is additionally intimidating (I regularly come across words in LW posts that I have never seen before and have to look them up - to me a sign that my language skills are not appropriate to write here. Coming to speak of it: please excuse my bad language!)
  • the karma-system clearly conveys the message that the community only wants the most qualified contributions - I simply do not feel fit to provide them.

By the way: I was a silent reader for quite a long time. Then I finally signed up a while ago to vote for a comment that I thought should get more attention. This did not work because as a newly registered user I did not have enough karma to vote and so I gave up. Apparently the community does not even consider me fit to vote, so I won't do it.

Thank you all who are contributing to this site, lurking here and knowing one is not alone is such a pleasure!

Comment author: RichardKennaway 19 April 2010 10:27:35AM 3 points [-]

Writing something in an environment with such high linguistic standards is additionally intimidating (I regularly come across words in LW posts that I have never seen before and have to look them up - to me a sign that my language skills are not appropriate to write here. Coming to speak of it: please excuse my bad language!)

Don't worry, your competence in English, and SovietPyg's, who expressed a similar sentiment, far exceed mine in any language but English.

And the English language is so vast that even native speakers keep discovering new words.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 April 2010 10:48:56AM *  4 points [-]

I suggest experimenting with asking questions, and see how they go over.

My high school chemistry class (about thirty students) got two scores of 795 and six of 800 (the maximum) on the PSAT test, and I'm convinced that while some of the credit goes to the reasonable and sensible teacher, a lot goes to one of the students who kept asking questions-- at least for me, many of his questions were things I wanted to ask, but couldn't quite get to asking.

Comment author: wintercrow 19 April 2010 07:36:14AM 4 points [-]

"Hi" seems inadequate. Salutations from a wanna-be prolix pedant? No?

Comment author: glimmung 19 April 2010 07:58:20AM 4 points [-]

Hi!

Greetings from Knaresborough, North Yorkshire, UK.

Comment author: SovietPyg 19 April 2010 08:24:47AM *  6 points [-]

Hi!

Delurking from Russia here. I’ve been reading LessWrong (and, consequently, OB, since it is often linked to on here) for about 3 months. I have to confess to falling in love with this website for the mind-stretching articles and comments in the threads. However, like many other lurkers have already said, I feel I cannot contribute anything due to lack of linguistic proficiency on my part and due to the fact that someone would already post something I would want to say. I decided to de-lurk and say ‘hi’ because you created the impression of talking to each lurker (including myself) personally. I couldn’t but overcome my usual reluctance to engage in commenting.

Thank you for such an excellent source of thoughts, by the way!

Comment author: Grrrr 19 April 2010 08:45:39AM 4 points [-]

Hi.

Comment author: Hans 19 April 2010 08:56:46AM 4 points [-]

Hi. I've made a few posts here and there, but have mostly been lurking lately.

Comment author: Levent 19 April 2010 09:30:04AM *  4 points [-]

Hello everyone,

have only been reading LW for a couple of months, might start contributing in a few more.

Greetings from Munich!

Comment author: MrUst 19 April 2010 09:36:27AM 5 points [-]

Hi

Comment author: RobertWiblin 19 April 2010 09:45:43AM 2 points [-]

I lurked til a few weeks back when I read something I really disagreed with.

Comment author: RobertWiblin 19 April 2010 09:46:26AM 3 points [-]

I lurked until I read something I really disagreed with.

Comment author: JMaddison 19 April 2010 10:01:13AM 5 points [-]

Hi!

Comment author: igorbivor 19 April 2010 10:44:35AM 6 points [-]

Hi

Comment author: ResistTheUrge 19 April 2010 10:44:55AM 6 points [-]

Lurker for about a year. Made my only previous comment to this one a few months ago.

I almost never feel I have anything to contribute here. Even when I do, someone else has already expressed my thoughts in a comment more clear and thorough than anything I would have written. But this is a good thing!

Comment author: eugman 19 April 2010 11:12:24AM 5 points [-]

Hello, I lurked for a long time. I've started dipping my toes in the water.

Comment author: drcode 19 April 2010 11:34:46AM 5 points [-]

HI.

Comment author: AndirReinmar 19 April 2010 12:04:37PM 6 points [-]

Hi.