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15 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 09 March 2009 08:03AM

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Comment author: JamesAndrix 11 March 2009 04:40:26PM *  7 points [-]

I was under the impression that Doublethink involved contradictory ideas, Kurige seem to be talking about descriptions that are not inherently contradictory.

On the subject of not being able to update, I know of an anorexic who claims that even if she were rail-thin, she would be a fat person in a thin body. The knowledge of thinness does not affect the internal concept of self-fatness. (probably formed during childhood)

http://lesswrong.com/lw/r/no_really_ive_deceived_myself/gl I don't think I'd call my situation self deception. I am not making myself "believe the sky is green by an act of will." Rather, something in me says the sky is green, and is not dependent on observations of the sky at all.

No matter how much you're committed to updating your map, you'll face a conundrum when you realize you should have made your map round, and that's not something that you can trivially change about your map. You can understand and minimize the distortions, and use different projections in different situations, but you might always be stuck with a flat map. Knowing the territory is round doesn't change the experience you have of looking at a flat map.

Comment author: theotetia 13 March 2009 04:43:40AM 3 points [-]

Wow. I love the flat-vs.-round elaboration of the map metaphor. I had never thought about it that way. My thoughts just got way more interesting. Thanks.