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23 Post author: denisbider 25 January 2010 11:22PM

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Comment author: denisbider 26 January 2010 01:04:22PM *  -2 points [-]

I'll just comment on what most people are missing, because most reactions seem to be missing a similar thing.

Wei explains that most of the readership are preference utilitarians, who believe in satisfying people's preferences, not maximizing pleasure.

That's fine enough, but if you think that we should take into account the preferences of creatures that could exist, then I find it hard to imagine that a creature would prefer not to exist, than to exist in a state where it permanently experiences amazing pleasure.

Given that potential creatures outnumber existing creatures many times over, the preferences of existing creatures - that we wish to selfishly keep the universe's resources to ourselves, so we can explore and think and have misguided lofty impressions about ourselves, and whatnot - all of those preferences don't count that much in the face of many more creatures that would prefer to exist, and be wireheaded, than not to exist at all.

The only way preference utilitarianism can avoid the global maximum of Heaven is to ignore the preferences of potential creatures. But that is selfish.

If you don't want Heaven, then you don't want a universally friendly AI. What you really want is an AI that is friendly just to you.

Comment author: timtyler 27 January 2010 11:05:41AM *  4 points [-]

I doubt anyone here acts in a manner remotely similar to the way utilitarianism recommends. Utilitarianism is an unbiological conception about how to behave - and consequently is extremely difficult for real organisms to adhere to. Real organisms frequently engage in activities such as nepotism. Some people pay lip service to utilitarianism because it sounds nice and signals a moral nature - but they don't actually adhere to it.