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Comment author: ciphergoth 28 January 2010 09:07:20AM *  4 points [-]

If you take a utility function and multiply all the utilities by 0.01, is it the same utility function? In one sense it is, but by your measure it will always win a "most pessimistic" contest.

Update: thinking about this further, if the only allowable operations on utilities are comparison and weighted sum, then you can multiply by any positive constant or add and subtract any constant and preserve isomorphism. Is there a name for this mathematical object?

Comment author: thomblake 28 January 2010 01:51:53PM 0 points [-]

A utility function is just a representation of preference ordering. Presumably those properties would hold for anything that is merely an ordering making use of numbers.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 28 January 2010 03:03:03PM 2 points [-]

You also need the conditions of the utility theorem to hold. A preference ordering only gives you conditions 1 and 2 of the theorem as stated in the link.

Comment author: thomblake 28 January 2010 03:42:11PM 0 points [-]

Good point. I was effectively entirely leaving out the "mathematical" in "mathematical representation of preference ordering". As I stated it, you couldn't expect to aggregate utiles.

Comment author: ciphergoth 29 January 2010 05:53:16PM 0 points [-]

You can't aggregate utils; you can only take their weighted sums. You can aggregate changes in utils though.