RobinZ comments on Deontology for Consequentialists - Less Wrong

46 Post author: Alicorn 30 January 2010 05:58PM

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Comment author: RobinZ 30 January 2010 06:43:25PM *  7 points [-]

+10karma for you!

I have a bit of a negative reaction to deontology, but upon consideration the argument would be equally applicable to consequentialism: the prescriptions and proscriptions of a deontological morality are necessarily arbitrary, and likewise the desideratum and disdesideratum (what is the proper antonym? Edit: komponisto suggests "evitandum", which seems excellent) of a consequentialist morality are necessarily arbitrary.

...which makes me wonder if the all-atheists-are-nihilists meme is founded in deontological intuitions.

Comment author: komponisto 30 January 2010 06:48:10PM *  9 points [-]

desideratum...(what is the proper antonym?)

"Evitandum"?

Sounds even better in the plural: "The evitanda of the theory..."

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 30 January 2010 07:21:52PM 4 points [-]

I initially associated this to "evidence" but I suppose it would be easy enough to learn.

Comment author: Alicorn 30 January 2010 06:50:22PM 5 points [-]

Oh, I like that, it's adorable.

Comment author: RobinZ 30 January 2010 06:55:43PM *  0 points [-]

...how do you pronounce that? And what is the etymology? The only obvious source I can see is "evil", which is Germanic rather than Latinate.

(A carping complaint, to be sure, but even if I fold on this one, I still maintain that many mismatched combinations - particularly "ombudsperson" - are abominations unto good taste.)

Comment author: komponisto 30 January 2010 07:00:20PM *  3 points [-]

What Alicorn said. "Evitare" is Latin for "to avoid"; if "X-are" is a Latin verb meaning "to Y", then an "X-andum" is a "thing to be Y-ed".

Comment author: ABranco 31 March 2010 05:03:08AM 2 points [-]

"Avoidum" (pl. "avoida") could be an alternative — but "evitandum", having more syllables, does sound better.

Comment author: JohnWittle 08 April 2013 05:03:20PM 0 points [-]

I never came across that word during my four years of studying latin. What declension is it?

Comment author: RichardKennaway 08 April 2013 08:14:17PM 0 points [-]

From my two years of studying Latin I know that evitandum is second declension neuter gender, being a gerund. In Latin the word can also be an adjective, in which case it is second declension and inflected for all genders.

Cf. the English word "inevitable" = unavoidable.

Comment author: JohnWittle 08 April 2013 09:52:54PM 2 points [-]

err, I meant 'Avoidum'

Comment author: RichardKennaway 08 April 2013 10:46:49PM 3 points [-]

Ok, that's just a made-up mish-mash of English and Latin.

Comment author: Alicorn 30 January 2010 06:57:31PM 3 points [-]

From "evitable", which is the opposite of "inevitable" - so it means "thing to be avoided".

Comment author: RobinZ 30 January 2010 06:59:17PM *  1 point [-]

All is clear! Approved!

(Would have edited in, but no natural way to do so and preserve thread of conversation.)

(Edit: Have edited into the parenthetical.)

Comment author: Breakfast 31 January 2010 04:38:38PM *  3 points [-]

Certainly, many theists immediately lump atheism, utilitarianism and nihilism together. There are heaps of popular depictions framing utilitarian reasoning as being too 'cold and calculating' and not having 'real heart'. Which follows from atheists 'not having any real values' and from accepting the nihilistic, death-obsessed Darwinian worldview, etc.