AndyWood comments on Deontology for Consequentialists - Less Wrong

46 Post author: Alicorn 30 January 2010 05:58PM

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Comment author: AndyWood 03 February 2010 03:54:49PM *  5 points [-]

Does the question of "why" simply not enter into a deontologists thinking? My mind seems to leap to complete the statement "you should do what's right" with something along the lines of "because society will be more harmonious".

Also, I wish that psychopaths would do what's right, but what seems to be missing is any force of persuasion. And that seems important.

Comment author: Alicorn 03 February 2010 03:58:45PM *  5 points [-]

We can have "whys", but they look a little different. Mine look like "because people have rights", mostly. Or "because I am a moral agent", looking from the other direction.

Comment author: AndyWood 03 February 2010 04:41:03PM 0 points [-]

I think one reason that so many people here are consequentialists is that these kinds of ideas do not hit bottom. I think LW attracts people who like to chase explanations down as far as possible to foundations. Do you yourself apply reductionism to morality?

Comment author: Alicorn 03 February 2010 04:59:54PM *  2 points [-]

"Reductionism" is one of those words that can mean about seventeen things. I think rights/moral agency both drop out of personhood, which is a function of cognitive capacities, which I take to be software instantiated on entirely physical bases - does that count as whatever you had in mind?

Comment author: AndyWood 03 February 2010 05:07:48PM 2 points [-]

From Wikipedia:

an approach to understand the nature of complex things by reducing them to the interactions of their parts, or to simpler or more fundamental things

The bold part is plenty close enough to what I have in mind. Your response definitely counts. Next question that immediately leaps to mind is: how do you determine which formulations of morality best respect the personhood and rights of others, and best fulfill your duty as a moral agent?

Comment author: Alicorn 03 February 2010 05:28:53PM 1 point [-]

My theory isn't finished, so I can't present you with a list, or anything, but I've just summarized what I've got so far here.