Jack comments on Deontology for Consequentialists - Less Wrong

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Comment author: AngryParsley 03 February 2010 07:14:52PM *  2 points [-]

Why those particular rights? It seems rather convenient that they mostly arrive at beneficial consequences and jive with human intuitions. Kind of like how biblical apologists have explanations that just happen to coincide with our current understanding of history and physics.

If you lived in a world where your system of rights didn't typically lead to beneficial consequences, would you still believe them to be correct?

Comment author: Jack 04 February 2010 06:35:09AM 2 points [-]

It seems rather convenient that they mostly arrive at beneficial consequences and jive with human intuitions.

Agreed. It is also rather convenient that maximizing preference satisfaction rarely involves violating anyone's rights and mostly jives with human intuitions.

And thats because normative ethics is just about trying to come up with nice sounding theories to explain our ethical intuitions.

Comment author: AngryParsley 04 February 2010 12:54:49PM 4 points [-]

Umm... torture vs dust specks is both counterintuitive and violates rights. Utilitarian consequentialists also flip the switch in the trolley problem, again violating rights.

It doesn't sound nice or explain our intuitions. Instead, the goal is the most good for the most people.

Comment author: Jack 04 February 2010 07:39:28PM 9 points [-]

I said:

maximizing preference satisfaction rarely involves violating anyone's rights and mostly jives with human intuitions.

Those two examples are contrived to demonstrate the differences between utilitarianism and other theories. They hardly represent typical moral judgments.