TheAncientGeek comments on Deontology for Consequentialists - Less Wrong

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Comment author: orthonormal 30 January 2010 07:25:11PM *  16 points [-]

My issue with deontology-as-fundamental is that, whenever someone feels compelled to defend a deontological principle, they invariably end up making a consequentialist argument.

E.g. "Of course lying is wrong, because if lying were the general habit, communication would be impossible" or variants thereof.

The trouble, it seems to me, is that consequentialist moralities are easier to ground in human preferences (current and extrapolated) than are deontological ones, which seem to beg for a Framework of Objective Value to justify them. This is borne out by the fact that it is extremely difficult to think of a basic deontological rule which the vast majority of people (or the vast majority of educated people, etc.) would uphold unconditionally in every hypothetical.

If someone is going to argue that their deontological system should be adopted on the basis of its probable consequences, fine, that's perfectly valid. But in that case, as in the story of Churchill, we've already established what they are, we're just haggling over the price.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 11 February 2014 09:09:36PM 0 points [-]

For us hybridist, it is the function of cosequentialism to justify rules, and the function of rules to justify sanctions.

Comment author: Nornagest 11 February 2014 09:30:17PM 0 points [-]

That seems to lead to a logical cycle. What is the function of sanctions? To modify the behavior of other agents. Why do we want to modify the behavior of other agents? Because we find some actions undesirable. Why do we find them undesirable? Because of their consequences, or because they violate established rules...

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 11 February 2014 09:34:58PM -2 points [-]

Not all cycles are bad.