blogospheroid comments on Complexity of Value ≠ Complexity of Outcome - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Toby_Ord 30 January 2010 09:48:39PM 3 points [-]

You are entirely right that the 56% would split up into many subgroups, but I don't really see how this weakens my point: more philosophers support realist positions than anti-realist ones. For what its worth, the anti-realists are also fragmented in a similar way.

Comment author: JamesAndrix 31 January 2010 12:24:49AM 25 points [-]

Disagreeing positions don't add up just because they share a feature. On the contrary, If people offer lots of different contradictory reasons for a conclusion (even if each individual has consistent beliefs) it is a sign that they are rationalizing their position.

If 2/3's of experts support proposition G , 1/3 because of reason A while rejecting B, and 1/3 because of reason B while rejecting A, and the remaining 1/3 reject A and B; then the majority Reject A, and the majority Reject B. G should not be treated as a reasonable majority view.

This should be clear if A is the koran and B is the bible.

If we're going to add up expert views, we need to add up what experts consider important about a question, not features of their conclusions.

You shouldn't add up two experts if they would consider each other's arguments irrational. That's ignoring their expertise.

Comment author: blogospheroid 31 January 2010 03:43:57PM 0 points [-]

Ignoring their expertise, but counting only popularity. Moderator, does that mean that Less Wrong's karma system might be modified to take into account why a comment was upvoted?

A valid principle James, but a bad example which might be contested by those more knowledgeable of the matter.

Islam considers itself the best of the revealed religions and jesus is revered as a prophet in Islam.

So, in this case, christians reject the koran, but the muslims do not completely reject the bible.

I'm not sure what might serve as a better example, though. The multiple possible explanations of the present recession may serve as a better example, incase you want to make this a top level post.

Comment author: Technologos 31 January 2010 08:21:42PM 0 points [-]

What you say is true while the Koran and the Bible are referents, but when A and B become "Mohammed is the last prophet, who brought the full truth of God's will" and "Jesus was a literal incarnation of God," (the central beliefs of the religions that hold the respective books sacred) then James' logic holds.