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I would be very surprised to discover that a King Lear in an unfamiliar language had been produced by an ape. I am not surprised by hoaxes like this. I think that is indicative of a meaningful difference.
From the link:
Emphasis added to indicate flaw in experimental protocol.
Edit: This point is much weaker than it appears at first glance. See responses.
I would still be surprised if the monkey King Lear was chosen as the very best of the monkey's literary oeuvre.
Yeah, you're right - odds of a monkey producing a King Lear to choose are quite low.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I felt that it was still a valid test of critics' ability to interpret art considering that most artists will do the same thing with their collection before entering an exhibition.
And, on reflection, selection is a very weak form of optimization.
That's a far cry away from "eventually re-recogniz[ing] the same works as being good, with the same relative merit, for the same reasons."
Erasing everyone's knowledge of English is a far cry from erasing their knowledge of "what the kewl kids had classified as 'good art'".
? Was this supposed to be a separate reply to my earlier comment? I think it brings up a valid point, but looks a bit like a non-sequitur where it's at now.
It's a reference to that earlier comment, which is its great-grandparent, but also a direct reply to its parent. I think it makes sense if you read the full thread.