byrnema comments on A Much Better Life? - Less Wrong

61 Post author: Psychohistorian 03 February 2010 08:01PM

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Comment author: ShardPhoenix 04 February 2010 02:03:06AM *  8 points [-]

It seems the reason why we have the values we do is because we don't live in the least (or in this case most) convenient possible world.

In other words, imagine that you're stuck on some empty planet in the middle of a huge volume of known-life-free space. In this case a pleasant virtual world probably sounds like a much better deal. Even then you still have to worry about asteroids and supernovas and whatnot.

My point is that I'm not convinced that people's objection to wireheading is genuinely because of a fundamental preference for the "real" world (even at enormous hedonic cost), rather than because of inescapable practical concerns and their associated feelings.

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A related question might be, how bad would the real world have to be before you'd prefer the matrix? If you'd prefer to "advanced wirehead" over a lifetime of torture, then clearly you're thinking about cost-benefit trade-offs, not some preference for the real-world that overrides everything else. In that case, a rejection of advanced wireheading may simply reflect a failure to imagine just how good it could be.

Comment author: byrnema 04 February 2010 02:10:56AM 4 points [-]

Yes, I agree that while not the first objection a person makes, this could be close to the 'true rejection'. Simulated happiness is fine -- unless it isn't really stable and dependable (because it wasn't real) and you're crudely awoken to discover the whole world has gone to pot and you've got a lot of work to do. Then you'll regret having wasted time 'feeling good'.