Nanani comments on A Much Better Life? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nanani 04 February 2010 05:00:48AM 3 points [-]

This sounds a lot like people who strongly urge others to take on a life-changing decision (joining a cult of some kind, having children, whatever) by saying that once you go for it, you will never ever want to go back to the way things were before you took the plunge.

This may be true to whatever extent, and in the story that extent is absolute, but it doesn't make for a very good sales pitch.

Can we get anything out of this analogy? If "once you join the cult, you'll never want to go back to your pre-cult life" is unnapealing because there is something fundamentally wrong with cults, can we look for a similar bug in wireheading, perfect world simulations, and so on?

Comment author: MrHen 04 February 2010 05:08:20AM 5 points [-]

The pattern, "Once you do X you won't want to not do X" isn't inherently evil. Once you breathe oxygen you won't want to not breathe oxygen.

I think the deeper problem has to do with identity. If doing X implies that I will suddenly stop caring about everything I am doing, have done, or will do... is it still me?

The sunk cost fallacy may come into play as well.

Comment author: Nanani 04 February 2010 07:37:29AM 2 points [-]

Breathing oxygen isn't a choice, though. You have to go to great lengths (such as inserting yourself into an environment where it isn't breathable, such as vacuum or deep water) to stop breathing it for more than a few minutes before your conscious control is overriden.

Comment author: DanielVarga 04 February 2010 05:54:12PM *  7 points [-]

"Once you stopped breathing oxygen you won't want to breathe oxygen ever again." is a more evil example.

Comment author: Alicorn 04 February 2010 06:06:48PM 11 points [-]

Well, there is an adjustment period there.

Comment author: MugaSofer 22 January 2013 10:44:33AM -1 points [-]

Well, a major bug in cults is that they take all your money and you spend the rest of your life working to further the cult's interests. So perhaps the opportunity cost?

OTOH, it could be that something essential is missing - a cult is based on lies, an experience machine is full of zombies.