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A few comments above I wrote,
I was presenting this as an example of a discussion failure mode. I don't suppose that it is necessary. But I also hadn't known about those other ways of arguing about initial assumptions -- utility, parsimony, etc. Those sound like very productive places to begin.
So we agree it's not a conversation halter unless one person won't proceed past, 'my assumptions are self-evident!'.
I think you're missing the other kind of conversation halter here: the person might not even claim their assumptions are self-evident, but simply say that they're axioms and not subject to further analysis. This is the conversation halter RobinZ has been describing.
Agreement! Good for us. So then a question for the rest of the thread: is "appeal to inescapable assumptions" the same things as "appeal to self-evidence"? If so then it looks like we all agree but perhaps Eliezer didn't phrase the example well.