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I realize that this is not a debate about global warming, but respectfully, you are wrong here. It's just that the privileged hypothesis is hidden from view by means of conjunction.
It may surprise you, but the actual global warming hypothesis as pushed by the likes of the IPCC is NOT simply that increased levels of CO2 will result in an increase in global surface temperatures.
The actual hypothesis is that increased CO2 levels will cause an increase in global surface temperatures, which will cause an increase in levels of water vapor in the atmosphere, which will cause temperatures to rise further, and so on, until there has been a dangerous increase in global surface temperatures.
In other words, global warming is a compound hypothesis. And the second part of the hypothesis -- water vapor feedback -- is very much like the invisible unicorn in your garage. There is simply no a priori reason to believe that the climate operates by positive feedback in this way.
I go into more detail about this on my blog.
http://brazil84.wordpress.com
Anyway, I realize this post is a bit off-topic, but I think the point is important. When discussing a claim, it's helpful to make sure everyone is discussing the same claim.
Scientific research citations, please. The ones I know of go the other way.
What exactly is the claim I made for which you are requesting a citation? Let's make sure we are on the same page here.
Also, if you just want to debate global warming as opposed to rationalism in general, I would ask that you visit my blog.
I was asking for citations suggesting that water vapor feedback doesn't happen. I'll grant that the argument is off-topic, though.
I'm not trying to get cute, but please re-read my post. I did not claim that water vapor feedback does not happen. (Obviously that's an important question, and I invite you to discuss it with me on my blog.)
I apologize - I assumed your claim was that an increase of CO2 sufficient to directly cause a 1°C rise (about a doubling, is what I've heard) would make no more than 1°C rise. I objected because my current understanding is that the water vapor increases that to about 3°C rise.
If we have no disagreement on that point, we have no disagreement on anything that has been said denotatively so far. And, as we can both agree, any further remarks would be severely off-topic.
FWIW I do disagree with you on that point. But it was a different point from the one I was making.
I address the sensitivity issue in large part here:
http://brazil84.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/40a-simulations/