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57 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 15 February 2010 07:58AM

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Comment author: Unnamed 16 February 2010 07:20:20PM 1 point [-]

I'm growing less clear about what your complaint is. If you're just pointing out a methodological problem in that one paper then I agree with you. If you're claiming that the whole field is so messed up that no one even realizes it's a problem, then the paper that I linked looks like a counterexample to your claim. The authors seem to recognize that it's bad to make ad hoc choices about which proxies to use or which years to apply them to, so they came up with a systematic procedure for selecting proxies (it looks similar to taking all of every proxy that correlates significantly with the 150 years of instrumental temperature records and then averaging those proxy estimates together, but more complicated). And because tree-ring data had been the most problematic (in having a poor fit with the temperature record), they ran a separate set of analyses that excluded those data. They may not explicitly criticize the other methodology, but they're replacing it with a better methodology, which is good enough for me.

Comment author: SilasBarta 16 February 2010 10:41:54PM 2 points [-]

You don't understand why I'm suspicious that a fundamental problem with their methodology, widely used as proof, is only being rooted out in 2008?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 16 February 2010 10:52:54PM 3 points [-]

Be glad it's happening at all.

Comment author: Unnamed 17 February 2010 05:20:25AM 1 point [-]

Is it only being rooted out in 2008? There have been a bunch of different proxy reconstructions over the years - are you saying that this 2008 paper was the first one to avoid that methodological problem? Do you know the climate literature well enough to be making these kinds of statements?