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Comment author: CronoDAS 17 February 2010 02:45:13PM 0 points [-]

If it becomes an imminent threat, reglaciation may be easier to avert than warming. Right now, we know more about how to heat the planet than how to cool it off.

Comment author: timtyler 17 February 2010 03:13:54PM 0 points [-]

Reglaciation is an imminent threat - and we don't know if we would be able to stop it.

A lot of the misguided research on mitigating global warming has investigated how to cool the planet down. I know of no research effort on a similar scale devoted to heating the planet up. So, I am not clear about where the idea that we know more about how to heat the planet than we do about how to cool it is coming from.

Comment author: CronoDAS 17 February 2010 05:23:40PM 0 points [-]

Well, it's fairly well-known that putting a lot of greenhouse gases will warm up the planet. ;)

Comment author: timtyler 17 February 2010 06:16:30PM *  0 points [-]

Sure - and there's also black carbon:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1938379,00.html

...and planting trees in the north:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=tropical-forests-cool-earth

Hopefully in due course we will have fusion and mirrors in space on our side as well.

I don't think anyone knows if a concerted effort could prevent reglaciation, though. If anyone wants to make the case that we should downplay the risk of reglaciation because we could avert it, I would say: prove it. This looks potentially extremely dangerous to the planet to me: show me that it is not.

Until we are much more confident in our climate control abilities, I think a safe distance is prudent. IMO, that involves at least melting Greenland.

Comment author: wedrifid 17 February 2010 06:21:36PM 0 points [-]

This looks potentially extremely dangerous to the planet to me: show me that it is not.

The planet? The planet is used to glaciers. It's the humans who may not like them.

Comment author: timtyler 17 February 2010 07:12:13PM 1 point [-]

I mostly mean the planet's lifeforms. Few living things like ice crystals. They typically rupture cell walls - causing rapid death.

Comment author: Clippy 17 February 2010 07:26:54PM 5 points [-]

You make a valid point, but you neglect to mention that the same temperature/pressure regimes that generate ice crystals also make metals (especially scrap metal alloys) very brittle and prone to cracking, not to mention long-term effects on malleability.

Kind of a big thing to leave off!

Comment author: CronoDAS 18 February 2010 02:01:11AM 0 points [-]

You have a point there. If you want to build something out of metal and not have it break - and there are lots of important things that can be made out of metal - a cold environment makes it harder.