Mitchell_Porter comments on Open Thread: February 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 24 March 2010 02:47:14AM 1 point [-]

Can you justify that in a noncircular way? What's a mind, and why doesn't a glass have one?

Comment author: Jack 24 March 2010 03:43:38AM 3 points [-]

Is someone really obligated to define "mind" just in order to demonstrate that a glass is not in the set of things that has one? I can't define "game" but "the weak nuclear force" is not an example of one.

Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 24 March 2010 04:01:11AM 1 point [-]

If I read him correctly, Vladimir is proposing to make time itself a mind-dependent phenomenon. Time happens inside minds but not inside shattering glasses. So he needs to explain the difference.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 24 March 2010 08:54:20AM *  1 point [-]

Time happens inside minds but not inside shattering glasses

Time does happen inside shattering glasses, and it's not "mind-dependent". Happy?

Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 24 March 2010 10:37:46AM 2 points [-]

But you said:

time itself is arguably how discovering implications of information that is already here feels from the inside

Time itself is how a certain process feels from the inside. If time is a feeling, it can only happen where there are feelings, so if it happens inside shattering glasses, then they have feelings.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 24 March 2010 03:24:21PM 0 points [-]

That was a reference to "how an algorithm feels from the inside", with "feels" not intended for literal interpretation.