gregconen comments on Rationality Quotes: February 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gregconen 01 February 2010 05:50:19PM 16 points [-]

More people are killed every year by pigs than by sharks, which shows you how good people are at evaluating risk.

Bruce Schneier

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 02 February 2010 12:59:24AM 11 points [-]

Presumably not per unit exposure, which is the relevant measure when you're near a pig or shark. If he's talking about abstract worry, then he might have a point.

Comment author: gregconen 02 February 2010 01:16:55AM 3 points [-]

But what's the unit exposure? Does the exposure related to ocean swimming match the exposure of camping in Michigan wilderness? You have a point, though. Of course, most people should worry about neither pig nor shark attacks.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 February 2010 07:46:17PM 6 points [-]

I've decided to spend today abstractly worrying about sharks.

Comment author: Cyan 02 February 2010 07:56:59PM 2 points [-]

Fake Jedi sharks, no doubt.

Comment author: thomblake 02 February 2010 08:48:32PM 0 points [-]

Is today silly comment day?

Comment author: Jack 02 February 2010 12:44:10AM 7 points [-]

Ok, but most people who are more worried about sharks than pigs are going on vacation to the beach and don't work on a swine farm. And I don't think those people are wrong to worry about sharks more than pigs. It is also quite likely that swine farmers do worry about pigs more than the rest of us.

Comment author: roland 01 February 2010 10:20:25PM 0 points [-]

I googled for it but didn't find any evidence for pigs killing people.

Comment author: gregconen 01 February 2010 11:36:57PM 3 points [-]

I find 3 pig related occupational fatalities in the US from 1992-1997, and total US deaths at 4 from all marine animals, 2 of which were venomous from 1991 to 2001. So it looks like pigs have it, though it's not like the difference is statistically significant.

Comment author: byrnema 02 February 2010 12:08:00AM *  6 points [-]

I heard recently that when The Wizard of Oz came out, more people would have realized how dangerous it was when Dorothy fell in the pig pen. Today, we watch that movie and think it was just about her losing her balance, and maybe wonder why the farmer who saved her was so visibly upset about it. (I contacted my source and he said it was 'just common knowledge', and that pigs have since been domesticated from the wild boars they were, and that I should google, "pigs aggression".)

Comment author: Morendil 02 February 2010 07:15:29AM 2 points [-]

Googled it too. You need to expand "pigs" to include "wild boar".

Still this "six times as many death from pigs as from sharks" sounds suspiciously like an urban legend, the precise multiplier implies that there should be a well known source and not finding it is a hint. The numbers are small enough that the ratio should be all over the map.

Comment author: LucasSloan 02 February 2010 07:29:02AM *  4 points [-]

Average Number of Deaths per Year in the U.S

  • Bee/Wasp 53

  • Dogs 31

  • Spider 6.5

  • Rattlesnake 5.5

  • Mountain lion 1

  • Shark 1

  • Alligator 0.3

  • Bear 0.5

  • Scorpion 0.5

  • Centipede 0.5

  • Elephant 0.25

  • Wolf 0.1

  • Horse 20

  • Bull 3

Here

Not entirely sure of the accuracy of these, but still. I think 31x as many killed by dogs as by sharks is a much more important figure than deaths from pigs.

Comment author: Kevin 02 February 2010 07:37:22AM 1 point [-]
Comment author: pwno 01 February 2010 06:21:08PM -1 points [-]

Since when is fear only about risk of death?

Comment author: gregconen 01 February 2010 09:36:53PM 1 point [-]

I suspect similar odds hold for non-fatal injuries.

Is there some fear associated with sharks other than the danger of injury or death?

Comment author: Alicorn 01 February 2010 09:56:21PM 25 points [-]

The terrifying soundtrack that accompanies them when they approach.