SilasBarta comments on A problem with Timeless Decision Theory (TDT) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 February 2010 01:16:44AM 7 points [-]

And this was my reply:

This is an unfinished part of the theory that I've also thought about, though your example puts it very crisply (you might consider posting it to LW?)

My current thoughts on resolution tend to see two main avenues:

1) Construct a full-blown DAG of math and Platonic facts, an account of which mathematical facts make other mathematical facts true, so that we can compute mathematical counterfactuals.

2) Treat differently mathematical knowledge that we learn by genuinely mathematical reasoning and by physical observation. In this case we know (D xor E) not by mathematical reasoning, but by physically observing a box whose state we believe to be correlated with D xor E. This may justify constructing a causal DAG with a node descending from D and E, so a counterfactual setting of D won't affect the setting of E.

Currently I'd say that (2) looks like the better avenue. Can you come up with an improper mathematical dependency where E is inferred from D, and shouldn't be seen as counterfactually affected, based on mathematical reasoning only without postulating the observation of a physical variable that descends from both E and D?

Incidentally, note that an unsolvable problem that should stay unsolvable is as follows: I'm asked to pick red or green, and told "A simulation of you given this information as well picked the wrong color and got shot." Whichever choice I make, I deduce that the other choice was better. The exact details here will depend on how I believe the simulator chose to tell me this, but ceteris paribus it's an unsolvable problem.

Comment author: SilasBarta 05 February 2010 05:41:40PM *  2 points [-]

1) Construct a full-blown DAG of math and Platonic facts, an account of which mathematical facts make other mathematical facts true, so that we can compute mathematical counterfactuals.

If mathematical truths were drawn in a DAG graph, it's unclear how counterfactuals would work. Since math is consistent, then, by the principle of explosion, the inversion of any statement makes all statements true. The counterfactual graph would therefore be completely uninformative.

Or, perhaps, it would just generate another system of math. But then you have to know the inferential relationship between that new math and the rest of the world.