Jack comments on Ethics has Evidence Too - Less Wrong

21 Post author: Jack 06 February 2010 06:28AM

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Comment author: ciphergoth 06 February 2010 08:40:38AM 1 point [-]

If you're a classic moral realist, then your position makes very straightforward sense: morality is "out there" and we can discover facts about it.

If you're not a moral realist, then the relationship between morality and facts is a lot less straightforward, and I don't see that just roundly asserting that we should treat them the same way moves us forward.

Comment author: Jack 06 February 2010 09:30:53AM 1 point [-]

Well I was bringing this up in the context of normative ethics and it isn't at all clear to me what normative ethics would even mean if moral realism is false. My best guess is that normative ethics just becomes descriptive ethics (where we're trying to codify the ethics that in fact humans (or the West, or you) hold jointly. And I think everything in the OP holds true for descriptive ethics as well (except maybe instead of how people say people should act is replaced where possible by data about how they actually act). For non-cognitivist theories, as komponisto indicated above, intuitions are even more central- again we're just not really doing normative ethics anymore.

So yeah, my position doesn't quite work as stated if moral realism is false. But if moral realism is false then normative ethics doesn't quite work as stated.