dclayh comments on Epistemic Luck - Less Wrong

74 Post author: Alicorn 08 February 2010 12:02AM

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Comment author: dclayh 08 February 2010 01:20:04AM 4 points [-]

These have a decided enough effect that I've heard "X was a student of Y" used to mean "X holds views basically like Y's".

It still does. The question is open to what extent this is because students tend to choose advisers whose views they already agree with.

Comment author: Alicorn 08 February 2010 01:22:26AM *  2 points [-]

I don't deny that some selection effect is likely present, but there's only so much choice to be had in a smallish department, especially since you also have to sort by area of interest.

Comment author: dclayh 08 February 2010 01:25:47AM 1 point [-]

True, although the student is generally picking the department also.

Comment author: Alicorn 08 February 2010 01:31:10AM 4 points [-]

I don't know about most people, but I went to the one that happened to accept me.

Comment author: sark 08 February 2010 12:41:22PM 3 points [-]

You select them. They select you. Selection effect in both cases.

Comment author: RobinZ 09 February 2010 02:21:06AM 1 point [-]

"the one that happened to accept me" doesn't sound like a criterion that is strongly correlated with "the one whose views accord most closely with mine".

Comment author: Alicorn 09 February 2010 02:28:40AM *  2 points [-]

Well, I did do my entrance essay on an article by a philosopher who is inordinately popular at the department I just abandoned. I was talking about how he was wrong, but I did communicate that I thought he was worth reading and writing about.

Comment author: sark 09 February 2010 11:15:38AM 0 points [-]

It doesn't, but the point was about influence vs. selection effects, not different kinds of selection effects.

Comment author: RobinZ 10 February 2010 03:15:36PM 0 points [-]

It's still luck - if I choose a car based on whoever happens to drive past with a "For Sale" sign in the window, the street I'm standing on isn't a very good determinator of the quality of automobile.

Comment author: MrHen 10 February 2010 03:40:30PM 1 point [-]

It can, depending on what city you live in. I don't know if this is at all related to your point, but the street you find a car for sale can be a great indicator of its quality.

Namely, what neighborhood is the car in? Is the street notorious for certain things? A personal example: I would never buy a car I found for sale on Hwy 14. I would buy a car I found for sale on Hwy 110, but only outside of the Loop.

Comment author: RobinZ 11 February 2010 03:10:24AM 2 points [-]

Yeah, I'll give you that one. I was imagining choosing the street by, say, walking out your front door, not by the expected quality of automobile.