tut comments on Shut Up and Divide? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: tut 11 February 2010 07:21:15PM 3 points [-]

Which is more functional and creative: A child who gets vaccinated at the nearby clinic, or the same child getting polio and losing the use of their legs because there was no nearby clinic.

Your portrayal of charity is accurate if you look at what you get if you try to vote for charity, but it is not an accurate description of the best charities that have been discussed in this thread.

Comment author: brazil84 13 February 2010 05:20:42PM 0 points [-]

I would say it depends on the child.

Comment author: denisbider 11 February 2010 07:24:21PM 0 points [-]

Which is more functional and creative: a community that leverages its own potential and builds its own clinic, or a community that relies on outsiders to provide that clinic?

Comment author: MrHen 11 February 2010 07:35:13PM 3 points [-]

Which is more functional: An investment that leverages its own potential and uses its own resources, or an investment that leverages the resources of outsiders?

A good investment is a good investment, regardless of where the resources are coming from. Bickering about which investments are better than others is fine and should be done, but I am not willing to write off all investments in others simply because they are unable to come up with the resources on their own.

Comment author: tut 11 February 2010 07:31:58PM 2 points [-]

Communities where the latter is an option are not prime targets for the project I was referring to. If you're in a poor community, scattered over a large swath of rural Africa, and the first thing you need to do to get a clinic is to build a few thousand klicks of road to someplace where you can get vaccines, what potential do you think that you can leverage to get that done?

Comment author: denisbider 11 February 2010 07:45:26PM 0 points [-]

Also, have you actually been to Africa? I recommend visiting for a prolonged period several times. You might see it in a different perspective then.

Comment author: denisbider 11 February 2010 07:42:31PM 0 points [-]

Looks like you're just going to have to build that road then.

You are focusing on the immediate needs of people now, whereas I am focusing on the dysfunctionality that's going to continue into the future.

Freebies from the Western world aren't going to improve the lot of Africa. The only way their lot can be sustainably improved is by them reorganizing the way their communities work. No outsider can do that, and if they don't, no amount of external aid will help.