Nick_Tarleton comments on Shut Up and Divide? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: denisbider 11 February 2010 06:31:48PM *  1 point [-]

Actually thinking that out loud makes you honest. People who think of themselves as compassionate are much the same as I described, except that they would rather have me not exist, because my existence violates their values. Instead, they would prefer the existence of non-contributing people who need their help. (I have actually heard that from folks like that, in quite those words.)

The difference between me and such people is that they don't understand themselves - nor the dynamics of the world we live in. It's frustrating to be labeled a heartless bastard, but understanding what I do and acting differently would make me a hypocrite and spread falsity. According to my values, that's much worse.

It's also interesting to see how karma on this site falls steadily with honesty, and what that implies about what the balance of readers come here for. Sadly, it seems to be to further their existing preconceptions. :)

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 11 February 2010 10:21:01PM *  6 points [-]

People who think of themselves as compassionate are much the same as I described, except that they would rather have me not exist, because my existence violates their values. Instead, they would prefer the existence of non-contributing people who need their help. (I have actually heard that from folks like that, in quite those words.)

I'm sure this is often the case, but please don't overgeneralize.

It's also interesting to see how karma on this site falls steadily with honesty

Your grandparent post is at +2 as I write this.

Comment author: denisbider 11 February 2010 10:41:36PM 4 points [-]

I'm sure this is often the case, but please don't overgeneralize.

True; point taken. I find it likely that many (perhaps most here) are not like that.

Your grandparent post is at +2 as I write this.

True. But overall, I'm down about 50 karma today, and still counting. :)