NancyLebovitz comments on Open Thread: February 2010, part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 17 February 2010 03:10:58AM 3 points [-]

Hwæt. I've been thinking about humor, why humor exists, and what things we find humorous. I've come up with a proto-theory that seems to work more often than not, and a somewhat reasonable evolutionary justification. This makes it better than any theory you can find on Wikipedia, as none of those theories work even half the time, and their evolutionary justifications are all weak or absent. I think.

So here are four model jokes that are kind of representative of the space of all funny things:

"Why did Jeremy sit on the television? He wanted to be on TV." (from a children's joke book)

"Muffins? Who falls for those? A muffin is a bald cupcake!" (from Jim Gaffigan)

"It's next Wednesday." "The day after tomorrow?" "No, NEXT Wednesday." "The day after tomorrow IS next Wednesday!" "Well, if I meant that, I would have said THIS Wednesday!" (from Seinfeld)

"A minister, a priest, and a rabbi walk into a bar. The bartender says, 'Is this some kind of joke?'" (a traditional joke)

It may be noting that this "sample" lacks any overtly political jokes; I couldn't think of any.

The proto-theory I have is that a joke is something that points out reasonable behavior and then lets the audience conclude that it's the wrong behavior. This seems to explain the first three perfectly, but it doesn't explain the last one at all; the only thing special about the last joke is that the bartender has impossible insight into the nature of the situation (that it's a joke).

The supposed evolutionary utility of this is that it lets members of a tribe know what behavior is wrong within the tribe, thereby helping it recognize outsiders. The problem with this is that outsiders' behavior isn't always funny. If the new student asks for both cream and lemon in their tea, that's funny. If the new employee swears and makes racist comments all the time, that's offensive. If the guy sitting behind you starts moaning and grunting, that's worrying. What's the difference? Why is this difference useful?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 17 February 2010 11:21:43AM 5 points [-]

I believe that humor requires harmless surprise, Harmlessness and surprise are both highly contextual, so what people find funny can vary quite a bit.

One category of humor (or possibly an element for building humor) is things which are obviously members of a class, but which are very far from the prototype. Thus, an ostrich is funny while a robin isn't. This may not apply if you live in ostrich country-- see above about context.

Comment author: wedrifid 17 February 2010 09:08:02PM 1 point [-]

I believe that humor requires harmless surprise, Harmlessness and surprise are both highly contextual, so what people find funny can vary quite a bit.

It varies even more based on personality. There are darker forms of humor for which harmlessness and surprise are both dampeners.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 17 February 2010 11:19:16PM 0 points [-]

Now that I think about it, there's humor that's based on repetition-- the catch phrase that gets funnier each time you hear it.

I'm pretty sure about harmlessness-- the lack of harm may only apply to the person who's laughing.

What sort of humor are you thinking of?

Comment author: mattnewport 17 February 2010 11:38:25PM *  2 points [-]

Endless YouTube nutshot videos, Anonymous hacking an epilepsy support forum with flashing GIFs, the infamous banana peel on the sidewalk... Not particularly high-brow humour but many people find such things amusing.

Comment author: Cyan 17 February 2010 11:53:51PM 5 points [-]

"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die."

- Mel Brooks

Comment author: wedrifid 18 February 2010 05:02:04AM 1 point [-]

There was a sinister touch of amusement buried under my experience of outrage when I read that.

Comment author: ideclarecrockerrules 17 February 2010 11:40:52PM 1 point [-]

The harmless surprise hypothesis fits my data pretty well. But are you sure repetition-based humor isn't just conditioning people to laugh at a certain thing (catch-phrase or a situation)?

On the other hand, butt-of-a-joke hypothesis also sounds plausible.