MichaelVassar comments on Open Thread: February 2010, part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 17 February 2010 03:10:58AM 3 points [-]

Hwæt. I've been thinking about humor, why humor exists, and what things we find humorous. I've come up with a proto-theory that seems to work more often than not, and a somewhat reasonable evolutionary justification. This makes it better than any theory you can find on Wikipedia, as none of those theories work even half the time, and their evolutionary justifications are all weak or absent. I think.

So here are four model jokes that are kind of representative of the space of all funny things:

"Why did Jeremy sit on the television? He wanted to be on TV." (from a children's joke book)

"Muffins? Who falls for those? A muffin is a bald cupcake!" (from Jim Gaffigan)

"It's next Wednesday." "The day after tomorrow?" "No, NEXT Wednesday." "The day after tomorrow IS next Wednesday!" "Well, if I meant that, I would have said THIS Wednesday!" (from Seinfeld)

"A minister, a priest, and a rabbi walk into a bar. The bartender says, 'Is this some kind of joke?'" (a traditional joke)

It may be noting that this "sample" lacks any overtly political jokes; I couldn't think of any.

The proto-theory I have is that a joke is something that points out reasonable behavior and then lets the audience conclude that it's the wrong behavior. This seems to explain the first three perfectly, but it doesn't explain the last one at all; the only thing special about the last joke is that the bartender has impossible insight into the nature of the situation (that it's a joke).

The supposed evolutionary utility of this is that it lets members of a tribe know what behavior is wrong within the tribe, thereby helping it recognize outsiders. The problem with this is that outsiders' behavior isn't always funny. If the new student asks for both cream and lemon in their tea, that's funny. If the new employee swears and makes racist comments all the time, that's offensive. If the guy sitting behind you starts moaning and grunting, that's worrying. What's the difference? Why is this difference useful?

Comment author: MichaelVassar 19 February 2010 05:08:30PM *  5 points [-]

Juergen Schmidhuber writes about humor as information compression and that plus decompression seems about right to me. Being on TV is decompression from a phrase-as-concept to the component words, a pun, a switch to a lower level analysis than that which adults favor (a situation children constantly have to deal with). Muffin and cupcake is a proposal for a new lossy compression of two concepts to a new concept with a "topping" variable, which would be useful if you wanted to invent, for instance, the dreadful sounding "muffin-roll sushi", "next Wednesday" is a commentary on the inadequacy of current cultural norms for translating concepts and words into one another even for commonly used concepts. The last one is a successful compression from sense data to the fact that a common joke pattern is happening and inference that one is in a joke.

I wish that we had a "Less Wrong Community" blog for off-topic but fun comments like the above to be top level posts, as well as an "instrumental rationality" blog for "self help" subject matter.

Comment author: thomblake 19 February 2010 05:38:12PM 1 point [-]

I wish that we had a "Less Wrong Community" blog for off-topic but fun comments like the above to be top level posts, as well as an "instrumental rationality" blog for "self help" subject matter.

Yes and yes.

Comment author: Kevin 20 February 2010 04:08:36AM *  0 points [-]

I wish that we had a "Less Wrong Community" blog for off-topic but fun comments like the above to be top level posts

I would very much like to see arbitrary sub-blog creation in the style of subreddits, but an off-topic subreddit would be a good start.