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In the spirit of aiming low, I don't think you aimed nearly low enough. If I hadn't already read a small amount from the sequences I wouldn't have been able to pick up too much from this article. This reads as a great summary; I am not convinced it is a good explanation.
The rest of this comment is me saying the above in more detail. Do note that this is my perspective. Even a newb such as myself has been tainted with enough keywords to being inferring details that are not explicitly mentioned. This critique is massively excessive compared to the quality of the work. This means that you did a good job but I went all pesky-picky on you anyway.
I don't know which is a more successful way to talk to people: Using "you" or not using "you." Rephrasing those two sentences without the word, "You:"
And so on. What I like about your opening:
Things I don't like:
I would drop the term "Bayes' theorem" here. "We'll" is another example of, "You." This paragraph could be touched up a bit but I feel this is more me noticing that my writing style is different from yours.
I am not sold on this being a good first example. I like that it is something that most people will identify with, but the edge cases here are nuts:
Given the chance, I would reword the paragraph as such:
Do you want more of this? If not, I can stop now. If so, I can continue later. If you'd like something similar but much shorter and concise, I can do that too.
This is excellent feedback; please, do go on.
I did wonder if this was still too short and not aiming low enough. I chose to go on the side of briefness, partially because I was worried about ending up with a giant mammoth post and partially because I felt I'd just be repeating what Eliezer's said before. But yeah, looking at it now, I'm not at all convinced of how well I'd have gotten the message if my pre-OB self had read this.
Interesting that you find the usage of "you" and "we" patronizing. I hadn't thought of it like that - I intended it as a way to make the post less formal and build a more comfortable atmosphere to the reader.
Your rewording sounds good: not exactly the way I'd put it, but certainly something to build on.
Hmm, what do people think - if we end up rewriting this, should I just edit this post? Or make an entirely new one? Perhaps keep this one as it is, but work the changes into a future one that's longer?
Using "you" is a two-edged sword; it can create greater intimacy with your audience, but only if you know your audience well enough, and don't mind polarizing your response, or are willing to limit yourself to hypotheticals (e.g. "if you walked into a doctor's office")
If you're less certain of your audience, but still want the strong intimacy or identification response, you may want to use "I" instead. By telling a story that your reader can relate to... that is, a story of how you made this discovery, found out why it's important, or applied it in some way to achieve a goal the reader shares or recognizes as valuable, then you allow the reader to simply identify with you on a less conscious/contentious level.
(Notice, for example, how many of Eliezer's best posts begin with such a story, either about Eliezer or some fictional characters.)