Morendil comments on Mental Crystallography - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jesse_L 17 March 2010 04:24:53PM *  1 point [-]

Of course your friend hallucinates stones: there's no other way to read, unless you're going to recite "black c4, white e3, ...". The intersections don't light up automatically: they must be "manually" switched on. Even a visual thinker must string words together in order to speak.

With practice you can learn to read. Start with visualizing one move ahead. That's only one extra stone on the board---anyone can learn to imagine that. Then work on imagining two stones...

"Feeling" the right move without reading is a separate skill. Both skills are fundamental to the game.

Comment author: Morendil 17 March 2010 04:38:36PM 1 point [-]

I don't mean that I "feel the right move without reading". I mean that reading, for me, has a tactile rather than visual quality. When I imagine an extra stone on the board I don't see it.

Comment author: Amanojack 08 April 2010 05:55:45PM 0 points [-]

When I imagine an extra stone on the board I don't see it.

You say you don't see it, but surely you know the exact board location. Perhaps you don't (consciously) visualize a stone there but instead look at the spot and get a certain tactile sensation?

Comment author: Morendil 08 April 2010 06:15:21PM 0 points [-]

Yep. Not sure where you're driving at with that parenthetical though...

Comment author: Amanojack 08 April 2010 06:24:04PM 0 points [-]

I would call that visual+tactile, which are the same two modalities Einstein described thinking in. The parenthetical was to cover the possibility that the visualization happens, but it's so fast that you don't notice it (I'm assuming there's a soft threshold between conscious and unconscious thought, not a sharp dividing line).

Comment author: Jesse_L 18 March 2010 02:25:54AM *  0 points [-]

Interesting, so there is more than one way to read. Sorry, I had misread your comment.