Nick_Tarleton comments on You May Already Be A Sinner - Less Wrong

41 Post author: Yvain 09 March 2009 11:18PM

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Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 10 March 2009 12:51:17AM *  4 points [-]

Predestination, but not determinism, implies no binding between actions ("freely chosen" or not) and consequences. See Thou Art Physics and Timeless Control.

Comment author: cleonid 10 March 2009 01:07:32AM *  3 points [-]

I believe this is not quite correct. Predestination does not imply that actions do not predetermine the consequences (i.e. “no righteous man can be saved without the grace of God”). Rather it implies that actions themselves are predetermined (i.e. “no man can become righteous without the grace of God”).

To quote Luther: ” God is said to hate men before they are born, because, He foreknows that they WILL DO that which WILL MERIT hatred”.