I've spoken with many of the people involved, and haven't heard any of them express views consistent with this - they want their values to be preserved, in fact two said explicitly that they did not care what happened to the universe if their personal values were not preserved - and yet they also believe that their values are extreme minority views among humanity.
Could you add more details? I'm really interested in this issue since I have similar concerns regarding the whole CEV-idea: It presumes that the values of almost every human somehow converge if they were only smarter, had more time etc. . I don't know, it would definitely be nice if this were true, but if I look at most people around me, read a random history book, or just watch 5 minutes TV, I see values absurdly different from mine.
To be frank, I think I would trust a CEV more if the FAI would only extrapolate the volition of highly intelligent people. Damn, thinking about it, I have to say: If I had to choose between a FAI only scanning the brain of Eliezer and a FAI scanning every human on earth, then I would choose Eliezer!
Well, you could argue that this only shows that I'm a fanatic lunatic or a cynical misanthrope...
Anyway, I would like to hear your current thoughts on this subject!
To be frank, I think I would trust a CEV more if the FAI would only extrapolate the volition of highly intelligent people.
By 'extrapolated' we mean that the FAI is calculating what the wishes of those people would be IF they were as intelligent and well-informed as the FAI.
Given that, what difference do you think it would make for the FAI to only scan intelligent people? I can imagine only negatives: a potential neglect of physical/non intellectuals pursuits as a potential source of Fun, greater political opposition if not everyone is scanned, harder time justifying the morality of letting something take control that doesn't take EVERYONE'S desires into consideration...
The product of Less Wrong is truth. However, there seems to be a reluctance of the personality types here - myself included - to sell that product. Here's my evidence:
We actually label many highly effective persuasive strategies that can be used to market our true ideas as "dark arts". What's the justification for this negative branding? A necessary evil is not evil. Even if - and this is a huge if - our future utopia is free of dark arts, that's not the world we live in today. Choosing not to use them is analogous to a peacenik wanting to rid the world of violence by suggesting that police not use weapons.
We treat our dislike of dark arts as if it's a simple corollary of the axiom of the virtue of truth. Does this mean we assume the ends (more people believe the truth) doesn't justify the means (persuasion to the truth via exploiting cognitive biases)? Or are we just worried about being hypocrites? Whatever the reason, such an impactful assumption deserves an explanation. Speaking practically, the successful practice of dark arts requires the psychological skill of switching hats, to use Edward de Bono's terminology. While posting on Less Wrong, we can avoid and are in fact praised for avoiding dark arts, but we need to switch up in other environments, and that's difficult. Frankly, we're not great at it, and it's very tempting to externalize the problem and say "the art is bad" rather than "we're bad at the art".
Our distaste for rhetorical tactics, both aesthetically and morally, profoundly affects the way we communicate. That distaste is tightly coupled with the mental habit of always interpreting the value of what is said purely for its informational content, logical consistency, and insight. I'm basing the following question on my own introspection, but I wonder if this almost religiously entrenched mental habit could make us blind to the value of the art of persuasion? Let's imagine for a moment, the most convincing paragraph ever written. It was truly a world-wonder of persuasion - it converted fundamentalist Christians into atheists, suicide bombers into diplomats, and Ann Coulter-4-President supporters into Less Wrong sycophants. What would your reaction to the paragraph be? Would you "up-vote" this work of genius? No way. We'd be competing to tell the fundamentalist Christian that there were at least three argument fallacies in the first sentence, we'd explain to the suicide bomber that the rhetoric could be used equally well to justify blowing us all up right now, and for completeness we'd give the Ann Coulter supporter a brief overview of Bayesianism.