knb comments on Open Thread: March 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: knb 03 March 2010 09:11:59PM *  1 point [-]

I recommend a counseling psychologist rather than a psychiatrist. Or, if you can manage it, do both.

I used to be just like this, I actually put off applying for college until I missed the deadlines for my favorite schools, just because I couldn't get myself started. Something changed for me over the last couple years, though, and I'm now really thriving. One big thing that helps in the short term is stimulants: ephedrine and caffeine are OTC in most countries. Make sure you learn how to cycle them, if you do decide to use them. Things seem to get easier over time.

Comment author: MixedNuts 03 March 2010 11:38:36PM *  1 point [-]

Why? (The psychiatrist is the one who's a psychologist but can also give you meds, right?)

Caffeine seems to work at least a little, but makes me anxious; it's almost always worth it. Thanks. Ephedrine is illegal in France.

ETA: Actually, scratch that. I tried drinking coffee and soda when I wasn't unusually relaxed, and the anxiety is too extreme to make me more productive.

Comment author: knb 04 March 2010 05:19:02AM *  2 points [-]

(Note: I'm a psychology grad student, my undergrad work was in neuroscience and psychology.)

Psychiatrists (in America at least) are usually too busy to do much psychotherapy. When they do, get ready to pay big time. It just isn't worth their extremely valuable time and in any case, it isn't their specialty.

You don't want to see a clinical psychologist because they treat people with diagnosable psych. disorders. You may have melancholic depression, but it sounds like you just have extreme akrasia issues. If you go to a psychiatrist first, they'll likely just try to give you worthless SSRIs.

Comment author: orthonormal 04 March 2010 01:48:21AM 2 points [-]

Psychologists are for that reason often cheaper. In fact, a counseling psychologist in a training clinic can be downright affordable, and most of the benefits of therapy seem to be independent of the therapist anyway.

Also, it would be worth checking for data on the effectiveness of a psychiatric drug before spending on it; many may be ineffective or not worth the side effects.

Comment author: MixedNuts 04 March 2010 03:10:26AM 3 points [-]

Is Crazy meds as good as it looks?

Comment author: wedrifid 04 March 2010 06:23:40AM 2 points [-]

Absolutely. Just reading it made my day! Hilarious. (And the info isn't bad either. )

Comment author: wedrifid 04 March 2010 03:12:05AM 1 point [-]

In fact, a counseling psychologist in a training clinic can be downright affordable

And if you live in Australia can sometimes be free!

Comment author: Alicorn 03 March 2010 11:41:58PM *  2 points [-]

A psychiatrist is someone who went to medical school and specialized in the brain. A psychologist is someone who has a PhD in psychology. Putting "clinical" before either means they treat patients; "experimental" means what it sounds like. There's some crosstraining, but not as much as one might imagine. ("Therapist" and "counselor" imply no specific degree.)

Comment author: knb 04 March 2010 05:17:40AM *  2 points [-]

Some common misconceptions:

Counseling Psychology is a very specific degree program within psychology. A psychologist can have a PhD, a PsyD, (doctor of psychology degree), or in some fields, even a masters.

Psychiatrists also don't specialize in "the brain" (that's neurology), they specialize in treating psychiatric disorders using the medical model.

Comment author: CronoDAS 05 March 2010 02:17:24AM 1 point [-]

See the psychiatrist first. Your problems may be caused by some more physiological cause, such as a problem with your thyroid, and a medical doctor is more likely to be able to diagnose them.