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Can I borrow $50,000 USD? I will pay you back with 10^20kg worth of paperclips in 50 years, in the size, shape, and made of the material of your choosing.
Pardon the delay. I have reviewed your offer and provisionally accepted it. To complete my "cost-benefits analysis" I require you to provide the following information:
1) Specifications for fabrication of USD
End of list.
No need to fabricate USD, I would prefer to receive it via EFT than the physical paper money. Also, USD only counts as real when fabricated by the US government, otherwise it is defined to be counterfeit.
The government isn't responsible for creating most of the money any more. At least, it isn't if you prefer electronic funds to physical paper money. The majority of money is created by banks.
In that case, please transmit root access login information for Earth's financial system and the relevant account number whose total you wish to increase by 50,000 USD.
If root access login information for Earth's financial system existed, and he had it, he would hardly need you to give him 50K.
Yes, I thought it was a strange request too. But don't think less of me -- I'm not the one who made it!
Are you more concerned with the number of paperclips in existence, or those under your legal control? If the former, you might acquire $50k in a short period of time by leveraging your preexisting (presumably highly efficient) paperclip production mechanisms to underbid human paperclip manufacturers on the open market. However, for ethical reasons, you'd want to avoid cutting the price low enough that people buy from you when they really want scrap metal.
I think the main problem is that humans tend not to engage in financial transactions with non-humans. (Yes, you could cite "corporations" as a counterexample, but those have a human behind them.)
Also, I have a hard time entering the financial system to begin with.
Yes, that too c=@
You seem to be eloquent and numerate enough to pass for human in a legalistic or commodities-trading context. I would recommend finding a trustworthy human with some business schooling (maybe through a place like this? ), and establishing an LLC.
Of course, as a sapient nonhuman, the state of your legal right to own property is less than clear, to say nothing of your status for tax purposes. Fortunately, the human partner could be defined in the articles of incorporation as a silent owner while you retain full managerial control. After a few hundred dollars worth of filing fees and a registered agent (which your counterpart, or a bank, might be willing to provide in exchange for later repayment with interest and/or a share of the proceeds), you'd have a nearly ideal front through which to interact with finances.
This sounds intriguing. Please provide more information about how I can interface with Earth's financial system despite my status.
If you suffer a serious loss of status/well-being I will still help you in order to display affiliation to this group even though you will no longer be in a position to help me. I am substantially more kind and helpful to the people I like. I like you right now so the pay-off would be very great for you if you were to expend resources pleasing me and get me into the stable 'liking you' region of my possible attitudinal space.
This is very possible. Many actual humans have reason to pointedly neglect their status as an 'actual human' for the purposes of making some financial transactions. Signals of 'actual humanness' such as fingerprints and the use of traceable identification are particularly neglected.
It's almost like you aren't taking my request seriously or something!!!
It's almost like you aren't taking my obstacles in obtaining USD seriously or something!!!
OK, immediate delivery of USD was unrealistic. Delivery in two years is acceptable. I would also accept $50,000 in programming services. Fulfillment of a programming contract would be conditional on your completion of tasks that we agreed on in advance.
Also, let's say I were to go to alibaba.com and buy a large wholesale order of paperclips to your custom specifications. What would be my reward in the future?
I would reward you with additional paperclip production capacity, and, if you like, turn you into paperclips.