RobinZ comments on The Importance of Goodhart's Law - Less Wrong

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Comment author: taw 14 March 2010 08:41:35AM 5 points [-]

Most people on this supposedly rationalist site don't even bother looking at the data when it comes to Soviet Union - they get instant emotional reaction. In case you're one of those who actually care about the data, here I made it easier for you.

Comment author: RobinZ 14 March 2010 03:14:16PM *  6 points [-]

I'll agree that "most people [...] don't even bother looking at the data [...]" - I, in particular, am not sufficiently invested in this argument to go to the inconvenience of reading a PDF. The effect of modifiers "this site" and "Soviet Russia" I have no interesting opinion on.

(By the way: horrible format for Internet content. If you can read this, please don't upload your information to the Internet in PDF format. Make an HTML file.)

Comment author: ata 15 March 2010 04:14:12AM 3 points [-]

I, in particular, am not sufficiently invested in this argument to go to the inconvenience of reading a PDF.

Here's an HTMLized version, albeit one that still looks like a PDF (though one you don't have to download, doesn't use any browser plugins, and can't give you a virus).

Comment author: taw 14 March 2010 07:09:09PM 2 points [-]

We have to learn to live with PDFs as virtually all research is formatted as PDFs. Sane (single column portrait-only) PDFs like the linked paper are not particularly worse than constant-width websites. You are exaggerating the inconvenience.

The problem are PDFs which do things that make sense only on paper - like double column / alternating portrait-landscape - these are really really bad for reading on screen. But - what stops PDF readers from having some hacks to make them bearable? I cannot think of any reason. And it would definitely be easier to hack PDF readers than to make all researchers and all research journals in the world switch to HTML.

Related problem of tables being in appendix as opposed to floating seems harder to solve, but it's nowhere near as bad as double columns PDFs.

Comment author: RobinZ 14 March 2010 07:19:26PM 5 points [-]

The biggest three problems with PDFs as a format for Internet content are:

  1. The text display does not adapt to your window.

  2. Viewing the content requires running additional processes, adding CPU and memory usage.

  3. PDF viruses.

You pointed out (1), but (2) is no less annoying to me personally. That said: yeah, I got no control over this.