FAWS comments on Undiscriminating Skepticism - Less Wrong

97 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 14 March 2010 11:23PM

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Comment author: ata 15 March 2010 09:13:00AM *  14 points [-]

I'm somewhat sympathetic to that idea (I haven't felt guilty about being straightish, but I've wished I were more bisexual once in a while, and succeeded in pushing myself in that direction in some cases), but I'm curious now: is gender the only dimension you'd apply that to? Would you also take a pill (again assuming it's really really safe) that would make all outward physical attributes irrelevant to how attractive you find someone? Would you take a pill that would make you enjoy every non-harmful sexual practice/fetish (not necessarily seeking them out, but able to enjoy it if a partner initiated it)?

(I originally started writing this comment thinking something like "hmm, I'd take the bi-pill, but let's take that reasoning to its vaguely-logical conclusion and see if it's still palatable", but now I'm actually thinking I'd probably take both of those pills too.)

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 15 March 2010 10:25:38AM 10 points [-]

Well, to ask the non-mainstream-relative-to-this-community version of the question, ask "Would I take the loli pill?"

Comment author: FAWS 15 March 2010 12:10:06PM *  4 points [-]

Does "loli" mean non-persons and emotionally mature persons who look like a child, or are actual children (of average or below average emotional maturity) included by the effect?

Comment author: sketerpot 15 March 2010 09:28:48PM *  20 points [-]

If it meant the former, I would take the loli pill if the (unlikely) circumstances called for it. Why not? If it meant the latter, then you would have to tell your libido "no" a lot, but it wouldn't necessarily lead to doing bad things. I doubt it would be worth the hassle, though, except in very special circumstances.

Actually, the biggest drawback to either version of the loli pill would probably be how society would react if they ever found out. It probably wouldn't matter if the one you're sleeping with is really 700 years old; you'd still get put on every sex offender registry out there, and shunned vigorously, at the very least. People are damn tense on this subject. Just look at how much trouble Christopher Handley got in for his manga collection.

Edit: I felt pretty uncomfortable writing this post, even though I know I shouldn't be. Looks like this really is a good question.

Comment author: MBlume 24 September 2011 09:09:30PM 5 points [-]

Upvoted for noticing discomfort

Comment author: kodos96 17 March 2010 12:39:29AM 3 points [-]

upvoted for citing tvtropes :)

Comment author: Alicorn 17 March 2010 12:42:30AM 16 points [-]

Downvoted for encouraging such irresponsible behavior as citing TV Tropes!

Comment author: thomblake 17 March 2010 10:04:11PM 7 points [-]

You just say that because your karma is over nine thousand!

Comment author: wedrifid 15 March 2010 12:44:44PM 0 points [-]

Loli means actual preteen girls.

Comment author: ata 15 March 2010 09:29:37PM *  4 points [-]

If I understand correctly, loli only refers to cartoon depictions of preteen girls (and maybe roleplaying with that theme). Being attracted to actual preteen girls is just pedophilia.

(At least that's what loli fans say. I've always been a bit confused by the distinction — I've known people into loli and shota who seemed to find actual children as unappealing as any normal person does, but I can't quite figure out why a person would be turned on only by a cartoon and not the real thing.)

Comment author: Jack 15 March 2010 09:47:00PM 13 points [-]

This is a really a frustrating exchange given the number of terms that need googling and the fact that I am in a public library.

Comment author: sketerpot 16 March 2010 12:07:27AM 2 points [-]

The TV Tropes page is work-safe and pretty illuminating. No guarantees if you click on any of the links, though.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 March 2010 11:00:05PM 1 point [-]

Google define:'s loli as -

  • Abbreviation of lolita
  • Japanese term for Lolita, which means young, pre-teen girls.

Google define:'s lolita as -

  • a sexually precocious young girl
  • In the marketing of legal pornography, lolita is used to refer to a neotenic female, frequently one who has only recently reached the age of consent, or appears to be younger than the age of consent. Usually overlaps with 'barely legal'.
Comment author: kodos96 17 March 2010 12:42:55AM 0 points [-]

but I can't quite figure out why a person would be turned on only by a cartoon and not >the real thing

Because they're lying