thomblake comments on Undiscriminating Skepticism - Less Wrong

97 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 14 March 2010 11:23PM

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Comment author: Morendil 15 March 2010 05:14:38PM 5 points [-]

This all presupposes a consequentialist and libertarian ethic: that morality is about harm.

Not necessarily - I don't think of myself as a consequentialist but as a contractarian. Although I'm less than firm in my metaethical convictions.

Still, I have the clear intuition that someone who would assert a claim against me, based on who I chose to spend time in bed with, isn't all right in the head. They wouldn't deny me the right to have dinner with whomever I choose, and (within some reasonable bounds on consent, privacy, and promises made to other people) I see no sound basis to distinguish sex from another sensual experience like dinner.

At the moment I am straight, monogamous, and in fact legally married (for fiscal reasons mostly), but I see no reason to elevate my personal choices and inclinations to the status of universal moral law.

Comment author: thomblake 15 March 2010 05:21:29PM 1 point [-]

I see no sound basis to distinguish sex from another sensual experience like dinner.

I'm not the first to point this out, but by that reasoning, rape is no worse than forcing someone to eat broccoli.

Comment author: Morendil 15 March 2010 05:32:10PM 8 points [-]

I'd appreciate if you would read my parenthetical qualifications before making misleading comments about my "reasoning".

I disapprove of coercion in general, but it seems clear that people in general experience sex as a much more significant experience than eating, to the extent that rape can make for life-threatening emotional trauma. Given these (possibly local) facts of human nature, we would clearly not agree to a social contract that provided no protection from rape.

Comment author: jimmy 16 March 2010 04:36:39AM 3 points [-]

What about forcing 3^^^3 people to eat broccoli?