CaveJohnson comments on Undiscriminating Skepticism - Less Wrong

97 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 14 March 2010 11:23PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (1329)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: brazil84 18 April 2011 04:31:33PM 9 points [-]

I actually find the genetic explanation more hopefull. Genetic engineering would be a cheap and easy fix to the problem at least compared to the price of current and past attempts to close the gap.


I'm not too optimistic about genetic engineering. It seems that any engineering process requires a lot of failures before you figure out how to do things right. People can accept that a few astronauts and test pilots will die fiery deaths, but I doubt anyone could accept babies being born with brains messed up due to genetic tinkering.

The other thing is that poor man's genetic engineering -- i.e. eugenics -- has been available for some time now and people are very reluctant to embrace it. Even without forced sterilization, it hardly seems outrageous to tweak public policy so as to incentivize the smartest people to reproduce more and discourage the stupidest. And yet it seems it would be politically very difficult to enact even a mild policy along these lines -- its proponents would surely be condemned as racists.

Comment author: CaveJohnson 07 January 2012 03:59:40PM *  12 points [-]

The other thing is that poor man's genetic engineering -- i.e. eugenics -- has been available for some time now and people are very reluctant to embrace it. Even without forced sterilization, it hardly seems outrageous to tweak public policy so as to incentivize the smartest people to reproduce more and discourage the stupidest.

It is widely employed in the US by parents using (for whatever reason) modern reproductive technology.

Of course we don't call it that, but please what else is it, when the eggs of women with very high SAT or even GRE scores cost thousands of dollars to obtain than those that are merely average? What else is it when you search for a tall/athletic/musically talented/ academically successful sperm donor? Or terminating a pregnancy where the fetus is identified to have a genetic disorder?

Comment author: brazil84 07 January 2012 09:37:56PM 6 points [-]

It is widely employed in the US by parents using (for whatever reason) modern reproductive technology

I would say it depends what you mean by "widely employed." Among the left half of the American bell curve, what percentage of children would you guess are the result of modern reproductive technology and a voluntary search for a high IQ egg or sperm donor? I would guess it's well under 5%. i.e. not enough to have a big impact on the intelligence of future generations.

Comment author: CaveJohnson 08 January 2012 10:46:38AM 4 points [-]

Why is this down-voted?

He is right. Reproductive technology is mostly currently employed by people with above average IQ, not just because this is the general pattern with all almost all technology and medical services in general, but because high IQ people are more likley to be infertile at the period in their life when they want to have children.

Comment author: wedrifid 08 January 2012 11:12:46AM *  0 points [-]

high IQ people are more likley to be infertile at the period in their life

And, incidentally, are more likely to be fertile overall. (And taller and with an ass that conforms to sex appropriate indicators of 'damn fine'.) Of course, not very much more likely.

Comment author: [deleted] 08 January 2012 03:19:48PM 2 points [-]

And, incidentally, are more likely to be fertile overall.

By fertile you mean “able to have children, whether they actually have them or not”? Otherwise, that's wrong.

Comment author: wedrifid 09 January 2012 01:10:55AM 0 points [-]

By fertile you mean “able to have children, whether they actually have them or not”?

Clearly.

Comment author: katydee 08 January 2012 05:03:11PM 0 points [-]

Um, citation needed?