wnoise comments on Undiscriminating Skepticism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wnoise 20 March 2010 05:42:30AM 11 points [-]

If a baby/fetus has a mind, in my books it should be accorded rights - more and more so as it develops. I fail to see, moreover, where the dividing line ought to be in your view. Not to slippery-slope you but - why stop at infants?

The standard answer is that at that point there is no longer a conflict with the rights of the women whose body the infant was hooked into. We don't generally require that people give up their bodily autonomy to support the life of others.

Comment author: MugaSofer 10 October 2012 12:53:16PM 0 points [-]

We don't generally require that people give up their bodily autonomy to support the life of others.

We don't?

In what situation, exactly, do we fail to do this? I can't think of any other real-world situation. I can imagine counterfactual ones, sure, but I'm fairly certain most people see those as analogies for abortion and respond appropriately.

Comment author: wnoise 10 October 2012 03:43:31PM 2 points [-]

We don't, for instance, require people to donate redundant organs, nor even blood. Nor is organ donation mandatory even after death (prehaps it should be).

What are some cases where we do require people to give up their bodily autonomy?

Comment author: TimS 10 October 2012 05:54:45PM 2 points [-]

Mandatory drug testing?

Comment author: wnoise 12 October 2012 06:11:39AM 1 point [-]

That's the big one I can think of, and this usually arises in a very different context where it's easy to dehumanize those forced to take such tests: alleged criminals and children.

(Even in these contexts, peeing in a cup or taking a breathalyzer is quite a bit less severe than enduring a forced pregnancy. Mandatory blood draws for DUIs do upset a signifianct number of people. How you feel about employment tests and sports doping might depend on how you feel about economic coercion and whether it's truly "mandatory".)