MugaSofer comments on Undiscriminating Skepticism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: jt4242 21 April 2013 02:37:57PM 1 point [-]

"...getting them to admit that Scandinavia is not doing something inherently wrong with it's high tax system, given that they have relatively high happiness and quality of life."

There is another conservative argument against this: To acknowledge that it might actually be true that the average happiness is increased, but to reject the morality of it.

Too see why someone might think that, imagine the following scenario: You find scientific evidence for the fact that if one forces the minority of the best-looking young women of a society at gunpoint to be of sexual service to whomever wishes to be pleased (there will be a government office regulating this) increases the average happiness of the country.

In other words, my argument questions that the happiness (needs/wishes/etc.) of a majority is at all relevant. This position is also known as individualism and at the root of (American) conservatism.

Comment author: MugaSofer 26 April 2013 12:46:28PM -2 points [-]

Even better, we could imagine that torturing Jews to death increases average happiness, because of all the happy racists.

Or removing Freedom would end all wars and poverty

Or [insert sacred value tradeoff here] would result in positive net utility.

IOW, that seems like a mindkilling example.