k_ebel comments on Undiscriminating Skepticism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Mestroyer 02 January 2014 08:05:52AM 2 points [-]

historically, men have overvalued their feelings/utilons as compared to women's feelings/utilons.

I can't see why this kind of behavior would be adaptive, and experiments don't seem to bear this hypothesis out. It seems that (as should be expected) men favor women. Also, in-group bias is much weaker in men in general.

I'm not sure why women would have evolved to favor women too though.

Comment author: k_ebel 25 September 2014 08:07:58PM 1 point [-]

I can't see why this kind of behavior would be adaptive, and experiments don't seem to bear this hypothesis out.

Perhaps I am missing something, but I didn't see how the study or the wiki article you linked to addressed specifically how men value "their feelings/utilons as compared to women's feelings/utilons" ? Both the experiment and the article mention prefering mothers over fathers and attributing a higher level of violence to men, neither of which I see as intrinsically linked to what I understood the previous poster to be saying. (I could be not-seeing the link, and/or I could be misinterpreting what point hesperidia was trying to make).

Related, but not entirely the same - I'm also not clear on how the "women are wonderful" effect is in any way correlated with "taking actions and/or advocating policies that benefit women as much as or more than men." History (and religion) is full of rhetoric that waxes eloquent about the wonderful nature of women, even while there is much debate as to the "sexist" nature of these societies/religions.

It's also entirely possible that I'm misinterpreting the point you're trying to make. If that's so, I'd be interested in clarifying that further.