Vladimir_Nesov comments on Human values differ as much as values can differ - Less Wrong

13 Post author: PhilGoetz 03 May 2010 07:35PM

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 May 2010 02:08:28PM *  1 point [-]

What do you mean "for someone who highly values status"? Are you that someone who prefers to have been born a king of 4000BC to comforts of modern world? Do you think people who would profess this verbal preference do so because it's their actual preference?

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Comment author: cousin_it 04 May 2010 04:51:08PM 2 points [-]

more than a shower and flushing loo

And modern medicine?

All such questions are tests of the imagination, really.

Comment author: Jack 04 May 2010 06:49:08PM *  1 point [-]

The harem bit looses some of its appeal when you think about the standards of dental care and how rarely people used to bathe.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 May 2010 02:56:07PM 0 points [-]

Hmm, I moved some towards agreement on this one. Though the particular argument you use doesn't apply to post-Singularity lower bound benefits. For a start, add immortality and much deeper insight into all things.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 04 May 2010 03:46:16PM *  4 points [-]

If there's a universal, it's that people enjoy gaining deeper insight - they value the first derivative of insight. Actually having insight can be a drag.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 May 2010 03:53:31PM *  0 points [-]

(Whatever, this is a technicality not relevant to the argument.) I doubt having insight is a downside in itself, only perhaps in as much as it makes it no longer possible to gain that insight without also losing it first; and beside the gaining of insight, there are lots of other things people value.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 21 August 2011 03:43:49AM 0 points [-]

Having an insight can be a downside if the insight disrupts your worldview, or makes you face an unpleasant truth. There is no law saying that truth and happiness are always allies.