Mass_Driver comments on Human values differ as much as values can differ - Less Wrong

13 Post author: PhilGoetz 03 May 2010 07:35PM

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Comment author: Mass_Driver 05 May 2010 03:15:42AM 4 points [-]

Well, hang on. pjeby probably would benefit from finding a less judgmental vocab, but he has a valid point: not every human action should be counted as evidence of a human value for the usual result of that action, because some humans have systematically erroneous beliefs about the way actions lead to results.

You may be hitting pjeby with a second-order ad hominem attack! Just because he uses vocab that's often used to delegitimize other people doesn't mean his arguments should be deligitimized.

Comment author: mattnewport 05 May 2010 03:21:08AM *  2 points [-]

But people "who compulsively seek nonconsensual domination of others" and "actually positively values bossing people around just to watch them jump" exist and are quite successful, arguably as a result of these values at other things which most humans value (sex, status, wealth). Pjeby is describing traits that are common in politicians, managers and high school teachers.

Comment author: pjeby 05 May 2010 08:17:37PM 2 points [-]

Pjeby is describing traits that are common in politicians, managers and high school teachers.

And I'm asserting that the subset of those individuals who are doing it for a direct feeling-reward (as opposed to strategic reasons) are what we would call sociopaths or psychopaths. The remainder (other than Machiavellian strategists and 'opaths) are actually doing it to avoid negative feeling-hits, rather than to obtain positive ones.