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What do you mean "win"?
If you have a conversation with someone, during which you discover a previously held belief you had was wrong, and revise your belief, have you "lost"?
I was being overly dramatic with the win/lose terminology. In those I have conversed with , I have caused a change in belief of greater magnitude than the typical belief change resulting from another philosophical or political debate, but not a true "win", where I cause someone's beliefs to update in agreement with my own.