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Comment author: bogus 24 March 2010 02:09:09AM *  -2 points [-]

He doesn't support entanglement directly, but it's kind of hard to explain otherwise how an electron can have a 'tiny speck' of conscious experience, whereas an individual 'self' can have experiences which are so much more complex than an electron's. A non-entangled state would just factorize into billions of individual 'selves', each of them completely independent of any others. This does not agree with our experience of psychological processes.

Comment author: bogdanb 24 March 2010 02:43:45AM *  3 points [-]

but it's kind of hard to explain otherwise how an electron can have a 'tiny speck' of conscious experience

[emphasis mine]

By my reading of the essay, an electron can be a “tiny speck” of consciousness, not have it. Big difference.

Comment author: bogus 24 March 2010 03:25:01AM *  -2 points [-]

not have it. Big difference.

Huh? If materialism is true and everything is matter including your conscious soul, why wouldn't an isolated[1] electron have conscious experiences? In a materialistic worldview, your soul does not have a little XML tag stating that it is a conscious entity, and neither do electrons.

[1] edited for clarity and consistency with the OP.

ETA: Just for the sake of clarity, it should be noted that emergent phenomena are just that--they can justify recurring patterns in a variety of physical systems, but they can hardly account for something as basic as our internal experiences. Especially when said emergent phenomena are merely postulated as such, with no details given and no evidence whatsoever.

Comment author: Jack 24 March 2010 03:31:53AM *  3 points [-]

Your instinct that the laws of physics don't fully describe you is correct! You are the way you are because of two things:

  • the laws that describe your soul-pieces or particles, and

  • the way they're put together,

and the latter is almost unimaginably more significant!

Comment author: RobinZ 24 March 2010 02:01:32PM 0 points [-]

Note that the above was in the removed part of the article.

Comment author: Jack 24 March 2010 02:12:29PM 1 point [-]

A shame. It was a great line.

Comment author: RobinZ 24 March 2010 02:14:20PM 0 points [-]

I would more than agree - it was part of what made it a good article. The post is much, much weaker without it.

Comment author: bogdanb 01 April 2010 05:10:34PM 1 point [-]

Take a look at http://rendell-attic.org/gol/tm.htm

The site gives examples of Turing machines (a Universal one is included) implemented in Conway's Game of Life.

A collection of cells with a certain structure are a universal computer. This is (depending on what you mean exactly) an emergent phenomenon: no individual cell has any “small piece of universal computiness”.

They have a very short, very simple list of properties. The property of being able to compute any computable function belongs only to the system. Most arrangements of cells don’t have that property, but there are many arrangements that do.