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Comment author: ata 27 March 2010 08:47:05AM *  3 points [-]

My question is more like "to what extent does perceiving or not perceiving something determine whether and to what degree it can be said to exist?".

I recommend looking through the Quantum Physics Sequence, or at least the "Quantum Physics Revealed As Non-Mysterious" and/or "And the Winner is... Many-Worlds!" subsequences. Aside from the general matters of map versus territory, our specific knowledge of quantum physics indicates that the observer/collapse effects you may have heard about are not part of what the universe is really doing.

As for self-perception... for all the problems with Descartes's philosophy of mind, "cogito ergo sum" is still a pretty good standard, at least for setting a bare minimum baseline for a definition of existence. (That is, if your definition of existence doesn't allow you to be pretty confident that you yourself exist, it can't be a very good definition.) Further, based on the assumptions of materialism and reductionism (see Zombies? Zombies! and GAZP), I concluded that if a being (whether a normal human you're interacting with, an AI, a person in a simulated universe, etc.) says that they feel conscious, real, etc., and you are confident that they have some mechanism for actually acquiring such a belief that is at least as good as your own (e.g. their program has to actually be mindlike, not just printf("I experience qualia! How mysterious!"); exit(0)), then you should take their word for it.

Comment author: RobinZ 26 March 2010 07:19:44PM 3 points [-]

Anyway, the last I'd heard it was still (understandably) an undecided question. It is known though that observation effects reality so I would think it should be given some consideration.

  1. Be careful about how you interpret news stories about quantum physics - quantum physics is a very confusing subject, and is often distorted severely by the reporting process.

  2. Affect and effect have tremendously different meanings in this context - please don't mix them up.

Comment author: orthonormal 27 March 2010 05:49:13AM 1 point [-]

The Simple Truth is another good place to start when considering these map-territory questions.