Eneasz comments on The mathematical universe: the map that is the territory - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eneasz 01 April 2010 07:55:05PM 1 point [-]

While I agree this is an excellent and relevant book, I would like to warn that it's a horror novel, and you may want to take that into consideration. As a horror novel it is outstanding, I couldn't put it down. But don't expect a pleasant reading experience.

Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 06 January 2013 04:06:44PM 2 points [-]

Horror Novel? I thought it was a light-hearted piece of metaphysics. Surely it's more 'Star Trek' than 'Misery'.

I would have lent this to any child capable of understanding it without the slightest worry until I read this comment. Now I'd worry very slightly. Am I a bad person who shouldn't lend books to children?

Comment author: FeepingCreature 06 January 2013 05:27:49PM *  2 points [-]

The basis you use to reason about the universe, at its core, is wrong. The universe is in truth random.

Yeah it's a horror novel.

Read Ultimate Meta Mega Crossover for a fix fic that tries to repair the damage.

Comment author: Eneasz 07 January 2013 10:03:26PM -1 points [-]

I dunno, I'm not good a modeling children who can read Egan. Peer's storyline in particular was horrifying, especially his eternal suicide at the end of Part 1.

Comment author: gyokuro 09 January 2013 01:01:46AM 2 points [-]

As a teenager, I don't see how it can be horror. I thought it was inspiring, honestly.

Comment author: Eneasz 10 January 2013 06:33:46PM 3 points [-]

One of the major messages I got from it was thus: even if you never physically die, eventually over eternity one of these two things will happen - 1) your utility function will drift enough, and your memories fade and change enough, they you will be unrecognizable as the person you were. You as you are now will effectively be dead. 2) you will successfully resist change, and will be stuck thinking and doing the same things endlessly in a loop. You might as well be dead.

Even if we defeat death, living long enough is essential death anyway. You are doomed, there is no escape.

Comment author: Wei_Dai 11 January 2013 12:15:52AM 3 points [-]

Isn't that just due to the author's inability to imagine/describe a mind capable of becoming increasingly and unboundedly complex without losing its identity? Why take it as an inevitable conclusion?

Comment author: Eneasz 11 January 2013 09:32:28PM 0 points [-]

Well sure, but that wouldn't make for a good horror novel. :)

Comment author: MugaSofer 09 January 2013 10:54:26AM 3 points [-]

Teenagers are immune to cosmic horror. Well-known fact.