JGWeissman comments on The Shabbos goy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 26 March 2010 04:56:49PM *  4 points [-]

People wouldn't have a problem with an academic journal that they believed charged a reasonable fee. But consider a typical journal published by Springer-Verlag or Mary Thomas Liebert:

  • Subscription fee: $100 per issue, $1200/year
  • Cost per article for non-subscribers: $30
  • Fee paid by the author of each article: about $3000
  • Advertising fee: I'd guess at least $5,000/page, based on the fact that each full-color page in your article usually adds $1000-$2000 to its cost
  • Salary paid to reviewers: $0
  • Cost of electronic publishing: about $100 per issue, divided among all subscribers

They have a problem with having a small number of subscribers. But many hobbyist groups manage to publish quality journals to equally-small audiences at a cost of under $10/issue.

The fact that people aren't jumping in to compete with lower-costs journals makes me suspect that it isn't that easy. But it's still not at all obvious why academic journals cost so much.

(The big ones, Science and Nature, are relatively inexpensive.))

Comment author: JGWeissman 26 March 2010 05:22:50PM 2 points [-]

Apparently I gave the wrong impression that I was arguing that academic journals are evil.

I actually meant to challenge the idea that an academic institution charging for its services is evil, using academic journals as an example of institutions that currently do so and get away with it. Other examples include text book publishing and undergraduate tuition.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 26 March 2010 05:52:59PM *  1 point [-]

I assumed that was what you meant; so I explained why I still think academic journals are suspect.

I don't think either of us has a definition of "evil" that would support argument on this topic anyway.