Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Tell Your Rationalist Origin Story - Less Wrong

30 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 25 February 2009 05:16PM

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Comment author: RobinHanson 26 February 2009 02:30:44PM 9 points [-]

Are you sure "rationalist" is a good label here? It suggests the claim that you are rational, or at least more rational than most. "Rational" has so many associations that go beyond truth-seeking.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 February 2009 04:01:23PM *  8 points [-]

We need some kind of word that means "seeker after less wrongness", and refers pragmatically to a group of people who go around discussing epistemic hygiene and actually worrying about how to think and whether their beliefs are correct. I know of no shorter and clearer alternative than "rationalist". There are some words I'm willing to try to rescue, and this is one of them.

Comment author: Daniel 27 February 2009 04:28:14AM 8 points [-]

Perhaps it's not worth complaining, but historically "rationalist" was contrasted with "empiricist." Descartes, Leibniz, and Spinoza were rationalists, while Locke and Hume were empiricists. Obviously that's not a contrast you mean to be invoking, though maybe that use of "rationalist" is rare enough that there's no risk of confusion.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 28 February 2009 07:46:42AM 6 points [-]

More recently, rationalist has tended to have a meaning closer to its current one, but with strong negative affect associated with it. Peter Drucker, for instance, seems to use it as a term of reproach in "Adventures of a Bystander", to mean the sort of small souled narrow-minded person who thinks that they can be right and others wrong and are allowed to say so because they have reasons for their beliefs instead of having made them up to express feelings but the assumption is that one shouldn't do this because doing it leads to communism, fascism, or other forms of authoritarianism. If people don't have the right to believe what they want then some authority must have the right to tell them what to believe. Traditional conservatives can associate this attitude with communism and other badness. Basically, rationalism is used to mean affiliation with authoritarian regimes who claim the prestige of science.

Comment author: bizop 27 February 2009 05:23:00AM 1 point [-]

@Daniel, I agree with this observation. Minimizing being wrong is a pretty recent intellectual development. Epistemic minimax is probably logically a better name, although it sort of sucks.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 28 February 2009 07:42:13AM 4 points [-]

We don't want to minimax since we aren't playing a zero sum game. We just want to maximize expected utility with a few caveats and with a few blanks filled in.

Comment author: Tiiba 27 February 2009 07:24:42AM 5 points [-]

Apparently, "aletheia" is Greek for truth, and "veritas" is Latin. You can pick either and stick "phile" at the end. So, say, veritophile.

(My reliable source is two minutes with online dictionaries)

Comment author: Kenny 27 February 2009 05:04:21AM 2 points [-]

'Info-maximizers'? It's too bad we can't use 'philosopher' – you'd think you just provided it's definition.

Comment author: Jay 27 February 2009 04:14:18AM -1 points [-]

"Skeptic"?

Comment author: Davorak 10 December 2010 09:55:40PM 1 point [-]

The James Randi definition of skeptic seems to have much overlap. I would guess that what EY is looking for has James Randi definition of skeptic as a subset of EY's rationalist belief processes.

Comment author: cdj 27 February 2009 06:52:59AM 0 points [-]

How about "asymptotist"? A Google search suggests it is available.